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RE: renaming plants

I think of coleus as the common name, too. And, like you, I like my labels
done correctly and the Shastas are staying Leucanthemum x superba, at least
for the time being.

I believe 'Banchee Holiday' may be a cross between a Solenostemon and a
Perilla, hence the name confusion.  Glasshouse sold it as a coleus and the
tradeshow exhibited it as a Perilla.  If I'm right about the cross, the
more accurate naming might be:
Solenostemon x Perilla 'Banchee Holiday'
but I don't think anyone wants it that long.

Sort of like Crocosmia 'Lucifer'  which isn't a full-fledged Crocosmia.
It resulted from the hybridization of Crocosmia masonorum and Curtonus
paniculatus and was introduced by Blooms of Bressingham, England.  This
bigeneric genus contains several richly colored cultivars, Emberglow and
'Lucifer' are among them. It might have been more descriptively named:
Crocosmia x Curtonus 'Lucifer'


> [Original Message]
> From: Chris <chris@widom-assoc.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 2/8/2003 12:17:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] renaming plants
> I think "coleus" has become the common name.  When I need to, I will use
> the correct scientific name, but when talking to other gardeners and lay
> people, I generally just say coleus.  If I give away a cutting, I put
> the correct name on the label.  The sedum issue is taking me a while to
> get used to, but again I'm changing my labels.  I don't want to hear
> about my favorite Leucanthum 'Becky'!!!  Just because Bluestone changed
> it back, doesn't make it so !!!
> We had about 8" of snow yesterday, so no school for me!  Yeah!  I spent
> a lot of the day on the computer, but managed to take a walk on the
> beach to take photos of the geese etc.  Also shoveled the walkway.  I
> read that Long Island has an average snowfall of 30" annually!  The last
> few winters have been pretty mild, but not this year!
> As to perilla, some of the dark purple frilly coleus and basils look a
> lot like perilla They are all in the same family- Lamiaceae), so I can
> see the confusion. Perilla frutescens (Shiso) does get rather tall, 3',
> and has whorls of minute flowers born in spikes. 
> Chris
> Long Island, NY
> Zone 7
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On
> Behalf Of ECPep@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:56 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] renaming plants
> In a message dated 2/7/03 11:31:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> kmrsy@earthlink.net writes:
> > I thought the Coleus to Solenostemon change occurred long b4 the
> > Chrysanthemum obliteration.  
> Kitty- Accepted in Europe but rarely seen here.  I don't think I have
> ever 
> purchased a Coleus labeled SS in a local nursery.  Maybe seen elsewhere
> in 
> the country but sold in all catalogs as Coleus.  Coleus, common for a
> hundred 
> years more or less and won't disappear easily.  I do agree with Latinate
> form 
> but have ended comment on the subject.  Either folks agree or they don't
> agree.  Sometimes you cannot sell a plant called Pelargonium when a
> buyer 
> wants a geranium, a Hippeastrum when a buyer wants an Amaryllis so the
> system 
> tries but is not perfect.  My husband's family operate a nursery and
> standing 
> outdoors with a customer on a busy day in spring, a Coleus is a Coleus.
> Most 
> gardeners as they gain experience learn Latinate form and as you go on
> you 
> often find it a fascinating subject.  Though, not all will agree.
> Claire Peplowski
> NYS z4
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