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Re: Re: Zone 10/ saving plants

>  the poor things will get left in the ground to
> rot...

Here's a stupid question.  If all this stuff is left in the ground to
Does it improve the soil?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Zone 10/ saving plants

> Yeah, I think I'm going to have to do that next fall because I just
> can't imagine my garden long term without these beauties! However, I
> think it's probably going to have to be a "You want them, You dig them"
> kind of offer because frankly, I know myself well enough to know that if
> it's left up to me, the poor things will get left in the ground to
> rot...
> Also, I know I've mentioned this before (long time ago) that a friend of
> mine said she uses her potato and onion bags to plant her
> dig-up-in-the-fall bulbs/tubers in, then when it's time to lift them she
> simply pulls on the two ends of the bag and out they come...I think I'll
> finally get around to trying this and see if it actually works. My
> concern is that the bags would degrade just enough to fall apart when I
> pull on them and make the whole thing pointless...but I guess I'll never
> know until I try it.
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>  --- On Wed 02/18, Donna < justme@prairieinet.net > wrote:
> From: Donna [mailto: justme@prairieinet.net]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:05:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Zone 10/ saving plants
> Well..... offer the extras to folks here, or in your
> community.<br><br>For istance, I usually save some of each kind, but
> this last fall,<br>between crazy weather, business trips, and illness..
> I lost them all. By<br>the time I could get out there and do something,
> they were mush.<br>Guessing this gives me the opportunity to pick out
> new varieties....<br><br><br>Donna<br>who lost many TP and tropical
> stuff last year:(<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From:
> Melody<br>Sent: 2/18/2004 4:15:29 AM<br>To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Zone 10/ saving
> plants<br><br>> My problem with saving Cannas, which I absolutely love
> and my husband<br>> adores is that if you plant 5 tubers in the spring,
> by fall when it's<br>> time to dig them up you have 35 or 40...and what
> was once a pleasure<br>> becomes an onerous race to get them all out of
> the ground and properly<br>> dried for storage before winter...ugh! And
> then what to do with the 35<br>> or 40 that then becomes 100? About
> three years of this nearly drove us<br>> bonkers! But we sorely missed
> them last year when we opted not to plant<br>> any, so who knows...maybe
> we'll suck it up again this year and go for<br>> it!<br>> <br>> <br>>
> <br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> <br>> "The most beautiful thing we can
> experience is the mysterious." <br>> --Albert Einstein<br>> <br>> --- On
> Sat 02/14, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:<br>> From: Kitty [mailto:
> kmrsy@comcast.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb
> 2004 19:07:15 -0500<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Zone 10<br>> <br>> Lately
> I've had the opposite problem. I try to explain to people they<br>>
> can<br>overwinter some of their tender perennials, but here they
> simply<br>> refer to<br>them as annuals. Well, when a Cordyline costs
> $40, I am not<br>> going to throw<br>it out after 4 months. (well, ok, I
> only paid about<br>> $5, but the same one is<br>going for $37 at WFF and
> $40 elsewhere). A<br>> nice Osteospermum can cost about<br>$5 here.
> Early on it's not much, but<br>> does grow to a nice size b
> y the end of<br>the season. So in Sep 02 I<br>> brought it in and put it
> back out in May 03,<br>already a nice size. By<br>> the end of the
> season, it covered 3 times what it<br>had the previous<br>> year. Last
> Sep, though, I just took cuttings. They pitch<br>Purple<br>> Fountain
> Grass at the end of each year and buy new, when the<br>> first<br>one
> has trippled in size. They throw away Caladiums and Cannas,<br>>
> which<br>could easily be overwintered in storage. I know I sound
> cheap,<br>> but it's not<br>just that. These are healthy plants and
> bulbs they just<br>> pitch. I know I<br>can't salvage everything, but I
> can't quite accept<br>> throwing away
> everything.<br><br>Kitty<br><br><br>----- Original Message<br>> -----
> <br>From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org><br>To:<br>>
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 6:27<br>>
> PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Zone 10<br><br><br>> Thanks for the list.
> I'll<br>> go back to Darrell's list and take a peek.<br>><br>> Yep, zone
> 10 here.<br>> Good things and bad things about zone 10. Good<br>> things
> are I can<br>> grow orchids, begonias, sweetsops, and avocados<br>>
> outside--not to<br>> mention mangos, lychees, guavas, bananas, and so
> on.<br>> Bad things are<br>> most plants northerners value and talk
> about won't grow<br>> here. I<br>> spend a lot of time at the nursery
> counseling folks from the<br>> north<br>> about the differences between
> here and there. It's a lot more<br>> than<br>> "palm verses ash," but
> that's always a good place to<br>> start.<br>><br>><br>> On Saturday,
> February 14, 2004, at 06:22 PM, Kitty<br>> wrote:<br>><br>> > Jim, I got
> three of my Epimediums from Darrell Probst<br>> and two from<br>> >
> P<br>> <br>> lant<br>> > Pics - the people who used to own Shady Oaks .
> These are<br>> what I have:<br>> ><br>> > Epimedium pinnatum ssp.
> colchicum<br>> ><br>> Epimedium alpinum 'Rubrum'<br>> > Epimedium x
> versicolor<br>> 'Versicolor'<br>> > Epimedium diphyllum 'Roseum'<br>> >
> Epimedium x<br>> youngianum 'John Gallagher'<br>> ><br>> > There are
> some
>  r
> eal stunners<br>> in his collection that I'd love to have<br>> >
> some<br>> > day. Some<br>> listings I see on the internet show that some
> varieties can<br>> ><br>> be<br>> > grown as far south as Zone 9, but
> you're in 10, aren't<br>> you?<br>> ><br>> > Kitty<br>> ><br>> > -----
> Original Message -----<br>><br>> > From: "james singer"
> <jsinger@igc.org><br>> > To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > Sent:
> Saturday, February 14, 2004 4:36<br>> PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [CHAT]
> Ground Orchid<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> My<br>> turn to plead ignorance,
> Kitty. I didn't know what an Epimedium was<br>><br>> >> but I found this
> page www.home.earthlink.net/~darrellpro/ that<br>> has<br>> >> pictures
> of any number of species. Very interesting flowers,<br>> some<br>> >>
> quite<br>> >> stunning. Which ones do you have?<br>><br>> >><br>> >> On
> Saturday, February 14, 2004, at 01:00 PM, Kitty<br>> wrote:<br>> >><br>>
> >>> Jim, I looked it up and the images I saw of the<br>> leaves alone
> were<br>> >>> enough to<br>> >>> create a desire for the<br>> plants.
> The flowers are beautiful. I just<br>> >>> love<br>> >>> those<br>>
> little surprises, most of them in spring, when a long-awaited<br>>
> >>><br>> plant<br>> >>> blooms. I am eager to see my first Epimedium
> flowers this<br>> spring.<br>> >>> And I<br>> >>> hope I don't miss the
> Bloodroot. It's<br>> such a grand surprise when you<br>> >>> round<br>>
> >>> the corner and<br>> notice that new leaf, or the long-awaited
> flower<br>> >>> spike.<br>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Even though I can't grow
> much of anything you do, I enjoy<br>> it when you<br>> >>> mention these
> items. It spurs me on to take a look<br>> at something I<br>> >>>
> might<br>> >>> never have thought to look up.<br>> Thanks!<br>> >>><br>>
> >>> Kitty<br>> >><br>> >> Island Jim<br>> >><br>> Southwest Florida<br>>
> >> Zone 10<br>> >><br>> >> ------<br>> <br>> --<br>>
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