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Re: Ilex opaca


Thanks, Josh.  I just place an order with Forest Farm for a 1-gallon I.o.
'Lake City'.  It is listed as Z6, but they were sold out of 'Cardinal', the
only one they listed as Z5.  However, Roslyn Nursery carries several
cultivars, some the same ones as FF, but lists them all as Z5, so I was
given the go-ahead to get Lake City.  Also ordered a pair of Ilex
verticillatas. a Red Horsechestnut (Aesculus c. 'O'Neill's Red), and a
Maackia.

Kitty
neIN, Z5
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ameritech.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Ilex opaca


> Kitty,
>
>         Like several others on the list, I haven't been able to keep up
with
> the recent deluge of messages, but enjoy the discussion when I am able to
> take a quick look.  I. opaca does very well here in zone 5; several of the
> local nurseries grow it, but the ones I know best are all wholesale.  I'll
> try to get you a retail source in the next few days, if you haven't found
> one yet.  It is reputed to be pretty safe with deer, although I know some
> have had problems.  I planted one here the year before last, fenced the
> first winter, but didn't get to it this fall, and so far, so good.  Just
had
> five deer pass through an hour ago, and they totally ignored it.  Now if I
> can find time to plant a pollinator this spring, I'll be all set.
>
>                                                         Josh Haskell
>                                                        Ohio -- Zone 5
>
>         Like some others on the list,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Ilex opaca
>
>
> > Thanks for the background Auralie.
> > Kitty
> > neIN, Z5
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Ilex opaca
> >
> >
> >> Marge and Kitty, there was a piece in Dig It! magazine last month about
> >> an
> >> interesting stand of I. opaca.  I can't access it for you, since there
is
> > a
> >> new
> >> month's issue and I can't find a site for archives.  I excerpted it for
> >> my
> >> Horizon
> >> Line newsletter, so I will send on a bit of that:
> >>
> >> According to reporter Mary Jasch, the largest forest of Ilex opaca
> > (American
> >> Holly) on the East Coast is in the Gateway National Recreation Area on
> > Sandy
> >> Hook, the northernmost spit of land in New Jersey at the western
entrance
> > to
> >> the New York Harbor with Staten Island to the east.  This seems an
> > improbable
> >> spot for a large stand of this plant that appears on New York Statebs
> >> Protected
> >> Plant List.  Credit for this phenomenon is given to the US Army!...
> >>   Lou Venuto, spokesman for the National Recreation Area, says bThe
> >> peninsula
> >> began being purchased by the Army in 1829.  Soon after, all 1600 acres
> > were
> >> in protected hands.  The Army was the first one to close it off and
keep
> >> people
> >> out of the holly forest b itbs for the same reasons we have kept the
> >> beaches
> >> undeveloped. Early on it was just locals looking for wood.  They
stopped
> >> that, and, later on, taking holly for Christmas decorations was
> >> restricted
> > to
> >> the
> >> officers.b
> >>    Protection is also provided for endangered species like piping
plovers
> > and
> >> ospreys.
> >>   The trees, some of which are approaching 200 years old, only grow to
> > about
> >> 30 feet tall.  It is explained that they donbt get taller because they
> > are
> >> sheared off by salt-water-laden winds.  The parts of the trees behind
the
> >> dunes
> >> are protected but the salt water kills the leaves at a higher level.
> > Also,
> >> the
> >> trees grow in an infertile sandy environment. Inland hollies in ideal
> >> situations may grow up to 70 feet.  With limited nutrients, these trees
> > only
> >> grow
> >> about an inch in 10 years b wouldnbt that qualify them as dwarf or
> >> miniature?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 02/20/2005 6:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >> mtalt@hort.net writes:
> >> From: kmrsy@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Speaking of hollies....Has anyone grown Ilex opaca, american Holly
> >> north
> >> > of Zone 6? I'm supposed to find one for the display gardens, but
> >> we're
> >> > in Z5, and all my references say 6. anyone?
> >>
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