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Re: Prayers needed

I was agreeing with you on the violence part.  I just meant to say that the
added push of sex is a contributing factor at times.  And they are often


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Prayers needed

> Well, Kitty, I said "supposedly" because, while it seems to be a lot
> more 'in your face' than it was even a few years ago, it's a subject
> that can still get people tied in square knots; wanting to clothe
> sculpture and all....not a subject for open discussion in schools -
> that sort of thing.  Gets the book banners all excited; guess they
> don't watch TV.
> Actually, I have not seen the commercials, because I just don't watch
> TV any more except the 11PM news or some rare show on PBS and we turn
> off the sound on the ads and I don't even watch them; can't stand
> them.  My DH is glued to the box and occasionally I have caught a
> glimpse of some show or other while passing by the box and been
> amazed that they can get away with it.  I remember when "The Moon is
> Blue" was banned on Boston...Lordy, how things have changed.
> Should is the operative word.....yes, we SHOULD be heading in the
> direction of less violence but we do not seem to be.  You'd think,
> after a couple millennia, that the human race could learn how to
> co-exist, but it does not seem to.  You'd think we'd advanced from
> the mindset of the folks who crowded the Roman coliseums to watch
> gladiators fight to the death and humans being torn apart by wild
> animals; who reveled in blood sport, or those who, during the French
> Revolution formed massive crowds around the guillotine or enjoyed
> watching the hundreds burning to death during various British fits of
> pyromania.  But, it seems we have not.  Why?  I have no clue.  Some
> sick quirk of human nature.
> Humans do seem fixated on removing irritations in a violent
> manner...killing bugs, killing 'vermin', killing whatever gets in
> their way.
> Personally (showing my age), I think TV and Hollywood are
> exacerbating the situation and our freedom of speech (which I value)
> has been distorted as a permission to produce worse and worse violent
> trash for consumption by younger and younger humans...after a while,
> the horror subsides and they become inured to violence; think it is
> normal...then, that spills over into other aspects of life.  Consider
> the prevalence of road rage and other sorts of "rages" that seem to
> happen every day now.
> We (as a society) are not being successful in walking the very fine
> line between freedom of expression and maintaining an environment
> that encourages positive behavior in the young.  If the young are not
> taught how to be civilized, they don't automatically learn it when
> they become adults.  If they don't learn and have a few loose screws,
> you get the mindless violence that is happening today.  For this, I
> blame the total greed of the entertainment media as well as the other
> factors that I mentioned in my other post.  They know better, but
> they also know that violent trash sells so they keep producing more
> and more of it...pushing the envelope as far as they can.
> Sad commentary on our "civilization"...
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >
> > I'm not sure what you meant by supposedly, but heck, it is
> everywhere, which
> > also causes a lot of problems for our society.  I have nothing
> against sex,
> > mind you, I just don't like seeing it thrown in our and our kids
> faces
> > non-stop.  Have you seen the commercials for the new fall animated
> show?
> >
> > What you wrote re violence I found interesting because I thought
> that, as a
> > 'civilized' society we should be heading in the direction of less
> violence.
> > Most 'thinking' people, it seems to me, do operate in a more
> non-violent
> > vein, but, as you put it, the veneer is cracking.  Sad.
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