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Re: This makes me ill...

Kitty:  As always...good points.

Hills, IA  zone 5

Work for the Lord:  the pay isn't much but the retirement is out of this world!

 --- On Thu 07/28, Chapel Ridge Wal Mart National Hearing Center < 4042N15@nationalhearing.com > wrote:
From: Chapel Ridge Wal Mart National Hearing Center [mailto: 4042N15@nationalhearing.com]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:43:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...

Melody,<br>Animal testing is a critical issue IMO. Not just for the
animals themselves<br>but for the bad science that can come of it
because human biological systems<br>are not the same as those of
animals. There are more accurate computer<br>models today that can give
better results. PETA has helped with reducing<br>animal testing, but
they are all over the board and harbor more than a few<br>nutcases. I
would prefer to support AAVS or NAVS, American and
National<br>Anti-Vivisection Societies. These orgs concentrate their
efforts<br>specifically on ending animal testing where possible and
don't pull the<br>antics that some PETA members
do.<br><br>Kitty<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Melody "
<mhobertm@excite.com><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Thursday,
July 28, 2005 2:46 AM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me
ill...<br><br><br>> Kitty: I absolutely agree with you...it's just too
bad that two nutcases<br>> as it may be have to drag so many well

intended people down with them. I<br>> am sure, that in it's purest
intentions, PETA tries to do the right<br>> thing. I've not always
agreed with their publicity stunts or political<br>> tactics, but on the
other hand, look at how few cosmetic companies or<br>> shampoo
manufacturers do animal testing anymore, so obviously at least<br>> part
of their message has gotten through to the right people.<br>><br>><br>>
Melody<br>> Hills, IA zone 5<br>><br>> Work for the Lord: the pay isn't
much but the retirement is out of this<br>world!<br>><br>> --- On Sun
07/24, kmrsy < kmrsy@netzero.net > wrote:<br>> From: kmrsy [mailto:
kmrsy@netzero.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sun, 24 Jul
2005 12:08:29 -0500<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me
ill...<br>><br>> Melody,<br>I am not doubting the NC story, especially
after the research<br>> you did.<br>However, in large organizations
there always zealots,<br>> nutcases, etc. that do<br>not necessarily
conform to the ideals

of the<br>> org. Are all Pro-Lifers clinic<br>bombers? or approve of
such tactics?<br>> Are all Wal-Mart employees
cat<br>killers?<br><br>Kitty<br>neIN,<br>> Z5<br>----- Original Message
----- <br>From: "Melody "<br>> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Saturday,<br>> July 23, 2005 8:32
PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me<br>> ill...<br><br><br>> Jim:
First of all, thanks for contacting PETA<br>> themselves and the<br>>
newspaper for us. The website that I originally<br>> saw this article
on<br>> (This Is True) is not an anti-PETA website...it<br>> is a
compendium of<br>> newstories from all over the country and the<br>>
owner of the site does a<br>> usually very reliable job of tracking
down<br>> sources for his stories. I've<br>> checked out many of the
stories he<br>> reports on there and usually<br>><br>> found<br>> that
what he has reported is true (thus the name of the<br>> website,
LOL!)<br>> Anyway, I also went to the newspapers archives

and<br>> read all 19 of the<br>> stories that exist in connection with
this<br>> story. It is pretty involved<br>> but also quite apparent that
these 2<br>> PETA employees were caught<br>> redhanded by the police in
the act of<br>> dumping these dead animals, as<br>> well as being in
possession of<br>> controlled substances that are normally<br>> used by
vets. to sedate and<br>> euthanize animals and are obtainable and<br>>
legally usable only by<br>> vets; neither of these 2 persons hold
vet.<br>> licenses.<br>><br>><br>> Also, apparently a necropsy on at
least one of the dogs done by the<br>><br>> state medical examiner
determined that the dog was completely<br>> healthy<br>> before it died.
It is yet to be determined if the drugs<br>> found in the<br>>
possession of these two persons are in that dead<br>> animals system and
thus<br>> caused its death. Also, this was not an<br>> isolated
event...there had<br>><br>> been<br>> apparently several instances of
dead animals

being dumped in<br>> this town<br>> over the previous month. This would
account for why they<br>> have been<br>> charged with 62 counts of
felony animal abuse. Since the<br>> arrest of the 2<br>> PETA employees
in mid-June, there have been no<br>> further dumpings of dead<br>>
animals. They are apparently set to go to<br>> trial anytime now and
of<br>> course, PETA administrators maintain they<br>> knew nothing of
these 2<br>> employees' activities.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Melody<br>>
Hills, IA zone 5<br>><br>> Work for the Lord: the pay isn't<br>> much
but the retirement is out of this<br>world!<br>><br>> --- On Sat<br>>
07/23, james singer < islandjim1@verizon.net > wrote:<br>> From:
james<br>> singer [mailto: islandjim1@verizon.net]<br>> To:<br>>
gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:31:41 -0400<br>><br>>
Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...<br>><br>> It is
disturbing.<br>> Whether it's true or not.<br><br>I don't
particularly<br>> care for<br>>

PETA--&quot;Why do<br>><br>> they pick on rich women who <br>wear
furs?<br>> Because it's safer than<br>> picking on burley guys who wear
<br>leather and<br>> ride<br>> Harleys&quot;.<br><br>But I believe
jerk-town Southern newspapers<br>><br>> even less.<br><br>And I believe
anti-PETA web sites to about the<br>> same<br>> degree that I
<br>believed the Swift Boat sleaze balls. So I<br>> sent them<br>> both
[PETA and the <br>Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald)<br>> e-mails, quoting
each<br>> other, and asking for <br>comments. If it's<br>> true or what.
I'll likely<br>> never hear from either of <br>them. Not<br>> holding my
breath,<br>> anyway.<br><br>Also, it's worth noting that<br>> there is
only one PETA site.<br>> There are at <br>least three site<br>> peddling
anti-PETA invective. So,<br>> right or wrong, PETA <br>must<br>> worry
the hell out of a lot vested animal<br>> slaughtering<br>>
interests.<br><br><br>On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:37 PM, A A<br>> HODGES<br>>

Melody, I can't even comment. This is truly<br>><br>>
appalling<br>><br>> and<br>><br>> vile.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Andrea H<br>&gt;
Beaufort,<br>><br>> SC<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [Original
Message]<br>&gt;&gt; From:<br>><br>> Melody
&lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To:<br>><br>>
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Date: 7/23/2005
11:29:15<br>><br>> AM<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: [CHAT] This makes
me<br>><br>> ill...<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I wondered how many of our
animal<br>> lovers<br>> on this list had seen this<br>&gt; article. It
about made me<br>> ill when I<br>> read
&quot;ETHICAL&quot; DEFINED: After more than 100 dead dogs were<br>>
dumped<br>> in a <br>&gt;&gt; trash<br>&gt;&gt; dumpster over four<br>>
weeks, police in<br>> Ahoskie, N.C., kept an eye on the<br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
trash receptacle behind a<br>> supermarket. Sure enough, a van drove

and<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> officers watched the occupants throw
in<br>> heavy plastic bags.<br>> They<br>&gt;&gt; detained the two
people in the<br>> van and found 18<br>><br>> dead<br>> dogs in
plastic<br>&gt;&gt; bags in the dumpster,<br>> including<br>><br>>
puppies; 13 more dead dogs were still <br>&gt;&gt;<br>> in<br>&gt;&gt;
the<br>> van. Police say the van is registered to the<br>> headquarters
of<br>> <br>&gt;&gt; People<br>&gt;&gt; for the Ethical<br>> Treatment
of Animals,<br>> and the two<br>> occupants,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
Andrew B. Cook, 24, and<br>> Adria<br>> Joy Hinkle, 27, identified
themselves as<br>&gt;&gt; PETA<br>><br>> employees. An autopsy performed
on one of the dogs found it<br>><br>> was<br>&gt;&gt; healthy before it
was killed. Police say PETA has<br>> been<br>> picking up
the<br>&gt;&gt; animals -- alive -- from North<br>> Carolina<br>> animal
shelters, promising to<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; find<br>> them good<br>>
homes. Cook and Hinkle

have been charged with 62<br>> felony<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> counts of animal
cruelty. In response to the<br>> arrests PETA<br>> President<br>&gt;&gt;
Ingrid Newkirk said it's against<br>> the group's<br>> policy for
employees to<br>&gt;&gt; dump animals in<br>><br>> the trash, but<br>>
&quot;that for some animals in<br>> North<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
Carolina,<br>> there is no kinder option<br>> than
euthanasia.&quot;<br>><br>> (Roanoke-Chowan<br>&gt;<br>>
News-Herald)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> THE MORE I
LEARN<br>> ABOUT PETA, the less I think of them. The story of<br>>
<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> them<br>&gt;&gt; killing animals isn't even
unusual.<br>> According to<br>> PETA's own filings, <br>&gt;&gt;
in<br>&gt;&gt; 2004 PETA<br>> *killed*<br>> 86.3 percent of the animals
entrusted to its care <br>&gt;&gt;<br>><br>> --<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
a number that's rising, not falling.<br>><br>> Meanwhile, the SPCA in
PETA's <br>&gt;&gt; home<br>&gt;&gt; town<br>><br>> (Norfolk,

Va.) was able to find loving homes for 73 percent of<br>><br>>
<br>&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;&gt; animals put in its care. A shortage
of<br>><br>> funds? Nope: last year PETA <br>&gt;&gt;
took<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> in<br>> $29 million in tax-exempt
donations. It simply has other<br>><br>> priorities<br>&gt;&gt; for the
funds,<br>><br>> like funding terrorism (yes,<br>> really). But don't
take my<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> word for it: I got my figures<br>><br>>


--and they have copies of<br>><br>> PETA's state and federal filings
to<br>> back it<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> up.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; The bottom
line: if<br>> you donate money to PETA<br>> because you think they
<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> care<br>&gt;&gt; for and about<br>> animals, you need
to think some<br>> more. PETA literally <br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
yells<br>&gt;&gt; and screams<br>> about how others &quot;kill

animals&quot;<br>> but THIS is how<br>> they<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
operate? Pathetic. And you<br>> know what I<br>> wonder? PETA's
*official* count<br>&gt;&gt; of animals they<br>> kill is<br>> 86.3
percent. But if they're going around<br>&gt;&gt; picking up<br>><br>>
animals, killing them while they drive around and not<br>>
even<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> giving them a CHANCE<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; to
be<br>> adopted, and<br>><br>> then<br>> destroying the evidence by
dumping the bodies<br>> <br>&gt;&gt;<br>> in<br>&gt;&gt; the trash, are
THOSE deaths being<br>> reported? My guess: no.<br>> While
86.3<br>&gt;&gt; percent is awful,<br>> the actual number is
probably<br>> much, MUCH higher.<br>> How<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; DARE
they lecture ANYONE<br>> about<br>> the<br>><br>>
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