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Re: Advice needed
  • Subject: Re: Advice needed
  • From: Aplfgcnys@aol.com
  • Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 21:40:01 -0400 (EDT)

Barb, these schools are titled Horticulture School for Exhibitors and
Judges.  They are exclusive to the New York State Federation.  The
system came about because it was felt that the National Garden Club
(at that time called National Council of State Garden Clubs) Flower Show
School system for  accrediting National Flower Show Judges was more
focused on Design and judging of flower arrangements, and gave too little
attention to horticulture.  Our system is based on the four seasons, and 
each school tries to give information on one major plant or type of plant
of the season, one container-grown plant, one basic horticultural topic
like taxonomy or plant anatomy, one segment on flower-show practice,
and a segment on Protected Plants.There is a written exam and 
point-scoring exams for those taking the course for credit. On completion
of four courses and a few other details, one may become a NYS Horticulture
Judge, which is rated with a plant society judge.  Most of the students who
take the course for credit are already National Council Accredited judges
who feel the need for more horticultural expertise.  Others are just those
who want to learn more about showing and growing.
A "competitive class" is any class in a flower show that is judged.
Thanks for you input.  I'll have to think harder about the whole issue.
In a message dated 7/30/2011 7:15:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sundrops@earthlink.net writes:

Hi Auralie -- this was interesting to me because at the risk of sounding 
like a brat, I can imagine being in such a class, learning a lot of other 
"more practical" details, methods, and information, and getting to a 
question  like that and saying, "who cares, if I ever need to know this I 
will look it up then."  I think Kathy may also be correct, strange as it 
seems, in people not being clear what "distinguishing feature" means. (I'm 
also not sure what a "competitive class" means, do the students?)  Who is 
taking this class -- is it part of an academic series, serious lay people, 
vocational class, for master gardeners, or what?  If your class is really 
super-packed with many different topics and in depth on many topics, people 
will tune out on some portions.  I took several classes at a local junior 
college, in horticulture, just for my own interest, not for credit.  I 
remember in particular the Tree class tried to cover much too much. 
including advanced arborist techniques, and there were several sections 
where I just tuned out.  If your classes are not for credit I especially 
think people are going to pick and choose what they retain even short term. 
If these are for academic credit, I might re-word the question something 
like, "a friend wants to exhibit ----.  In line with the native plant 
policy, what would you adivse her?"  At least you might elicit the answer 
check with the society.  Hope this helps, I could just see myself in this 
situation --
--Barb Tandy, Grass Valley CA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: [CHAT] Advice needed

> If there's still anyone out there, please give me some words of advice on 
> a
> problem I have.
> In the Horticulture School series I have been running for years, I always
> include a segment on the New York State Protected Plant List. The state
> list is quite lengthy, but the Federated Garden Clubs of New York State
> (FGCNYS) have prepared a selected list of those plants that might just
> appear in flower shows - a one-page list that is easy to tuck into your
> Handbook.  It is considered that the rest of the state list are either 
> wild
> flowers that wouldn't be suitable, or are so rare that they would never
> be seen.  The FGCNYS policy reads:
> Plants named on the New York State list, "Protected Native Plants,"
> cannot be exhibited in competitive classes, except in Special Exhibits
> Division as an Educational Exhibit.  Such plants must have been
> acquired in a lawful manner, and may be cut specimens and/or
> container-grown plants.
> Commercially developed hybrids or cultivars (NOT NATURAL VARIETIES)
> of plants on the NY list are permitted in competitive classes, but ONLY
> when the DISTINGUISHING FEATURE is evident.
> I helped write this policy more than 20 years ago, and have been trying to
> teach it in the Horticulture Schools ever since.  This year there have
> already
> been three schools, and three more are scheduled.  As State Chairman, I
> write
> the exams for the schools.  On each exam I include one question on the
> Protected Plant List.  Many times the question reads:
> .  May a branch of Cornus florida bCherokee Chiefb be exhibited in a
> flower show            in a class of flowering branches.  Explain.
> The answer, of course would be Yes, if the branch was in bloom, because 
> the
> Distinguishing Feature, that is the red blooms, would be evident.  If it
> were not
> in bloom, it could not be exibited.
> My problem is that more and more often I will get maybe one correct answer
> from each ten students.  The answers I got this spring were so depressing
> that
> I have resolved to make a greater effort to get the point across.  I 
> wonder
> if
> some of you knowledgable people can give me a clue as to where the problem
> lies.  To me, the concept is quite simple, but why do so many seem to miss
> it?
> These students are usually pretty alert to Horticultural matters - after
> all, it is a
> fairly specialized series.  I would really appreciate any thoughts on the
> matter.
> Auralie

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