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Re: Advice needed

Hi Auralie -- thanks for the information about your classes. The program sounds very interesting and the students certainly already have a lot of knowledge about the subject matter. So I can see why you are perplexed that the question you have been asking has not been adequately answered by so many as it is something they really need to know. I can only fall back on my own "tuning out" syndrome if the segment on protected plants is presented last, people may just not be paying attention any more. You can always adopt your best school-marm manner when you get to this section and say, pay attention, this WILL be on the exam!
Good luck -- sounds like a wonderful series of classes for those attending.
--Barb, Grass Valley CA
----- Original Message ----- From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Advice needed

Barb, these schools are titled Horticulture School for Exhibitors and
Judges.  They are exclusive to the New York State Federation.  The
system came about because it was felt that the National Garden Club
(at that time called National Council of State Garden Clubs) Flower Show
School system for  accrediting National Flower Show Judges was more
focused on Design and judging of flower arrangements, and gave too little
attention to horticulture.  Our system is based on the four seasons, and
each school tries to give information on one major plant or type of plant
of the season, one container-grown plant, one basic horticultural topic
like taxonomy or plant anatomy, one segment on flower-show practice,
and a segment on Protected Plants.There is a written exam and
point-scoring exams for those taking the course for credit. On completion
of four courses and a few other details, one may become a NYS Horticulture
Judge, which is rated with a plant society judge. Most of the students who
take the course for credit are already National Council Accredited judges
who feel the need for more horticultural expertise.  Others are just those
who want to learn more about showing and growing.
A "competitive class" is any class in a flower show that is judged.

Thanks for you input.  I'll have to think harder about the whole issue.

In a message dated 7/30/2011 7:15:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sundrops@earthlink.net writes:

Hi Auralie -- this was interesting to me because at the risk of sounding
like a brat, I can imagine being in such a class, learning a lot of other
"more practical" details, methods, and information, and getting to a
question  like that and saying, "who cares, if I ever need to know this I
will look it up then."  I think Kathy may also be correct, strange as it
seems, in people not being clear what "distinguishing feature" means. (I'm
also not sure what a "competitive class" means, do the students?)  Who is
taking this class -- is it part of an academic series, serious lay people,
vocational class, for master gardeners, or what?  If your class is really
super-packed with many different topics and in depth on many topics, people
will tune out on some portions.  I took several classes at a local junior
college, in horticulture, just for my own interest, not for credit.  I
remember in particular the Tree class tried to cover much too much.
including advanced arborist techniques, and there were several sections
where I just tuned out.  If your classes are not for credit I especially
think people are going to pick and choose what they retain even short term.
If these are for academic credit, I might re-word the question something
like, "a friend wants to exhibit ----.  In line with the native plant
policy, what would you adivse her?"  At least you might elicit the answer
check with the society.  Hope this helps, I could just see myself in this
situation --
--Barb Tandy, Grass Valley CA
----- Original Message ----- From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: [CHAT] Advice needed

If there's still anyone out there, please give me some words of advice on
problem I have.
In the Horticulture School series I have been running for years, I always
include a segment on the New York State Protected Plant List. The state
list is quite lengthy, but the Federated Garden Clubs of New York State
(FGCNYS) have prepared a selected list of those plants that might just
appear in flower shows - a one-page list that is easy to tuck into your
Handbook.  It is considered that the rest of the state list are either
flowers that wouldn't be suitable, or are so rare that they would never
be seen.  The FGCNYS policy reads:
Plants named on the New York State list, "Protected Native Plants,"
cannot be exhibited in competitive classes, except in Special Exhibits
Division as an Educational Exhibit.  Such plants must have been
acquired in a lawful manner, and may be cut specimens and/or
container-grown plants.
Commercially developed hybrids or cultivars (NOT NATURAL VARIETIES)
of plants on the NY list are permitted in competitive classes, but ONLY
when the DISTINGUISHING FEATURE is evident.

I helped write this policy more than 20 years ago, and have been trying to
teach it in the Horticulture Schools ever since.  This year there have
been three schools, and three more are scheduled.  As State Chairman, I
the exams for the schools.  On each exam I include one question on the
Protected Plant List.  Many times the question reads:

.  May a branch of Cornus florida bCherokee Chiefb be exhibited in a
flower show            in a class of flowering branches.  Explain.
The answer, of course would be Yes, if the branch was in bloom, because
Distinguishing Feature, that is the red blooms, would be evident.  If it
were not
in bloom, it could not be exibited.

My problem is that more and more often I will get maybe one correct answer
from each ten students.  The answers I got this spring were so depressing
I have resolved to make a greater effort to get the point across.  I
some of you knowledgable people can give me a clue as to where the problem lies. To me, the concept is quite simple, but why do so many seem to miss
These students are usually pretty alert to Horticultural matters - after
all, it is a
fairly specialized series.  I would really appreciate any thoughts on the

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