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Re: Re: Re: infor


Pam,
Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago.  I think it helped,
couldn't say for sure.  But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4 neighbors.
They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.

In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of stuff,
much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest control.  In
the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and not
altogether necessary.  Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor


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> <BODY>I see. Just curious. Actually have you ever tried the beneficial
> nematodes? They take care of all lawn grubs, including Jap beetles which
had not
> made it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It also
controls
> fire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp, TX
zone 8A
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM To:
> gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; Pam, &gt; You must
> realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours &gt; a
day
> watering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with &gt;
holes in
> the leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I &gt;
said not
> feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't &gt;
> referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction, others
&gt;
> won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my lilies
&gt;
> last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also showed to
&gt;
> our Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This year
&gt; I
> found 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and took
&gt; it
> in to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just found 2
&gt; more
> on another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he &gt;
needs
> stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my lilies. &gt;
> Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. &gt; &gt; Anyway,
back to
> straight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles &gt; there,
but
> nothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, &gt; but
once
> the grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes &gt; away.
Even
> if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants &gt; from
your
> neighbor's untreated yard. &gt; &gt; I firmly believe in IPM and use even
less
> than that warrants. I'm fairly &gt; close to organic, including my
fertilizers.
> But most people won't spend $30 &gt; / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of lawn.
Shoot,
> my neighbor won't spend $5. &gt; &gt; For the activist, all organic is
possible.
> For the perectionist it is not &gt; feasible. For the the general
population of
> gardeners out there who have a &gt; garden as one of their many pastimes,
who
> enjoy puttering in their garden &gt; occasionally, who maybe just are
determined
> that their landscape be &gt; presentable, but have no intention of reading
up on
> organic methods, it &gt; isn't going to happen. &gt; &gt; Ortho does too
good a
> job marketing their chemicals. People who just want &gt; the problem to go
away
> are quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the &gt; label, but just the
> thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me &gt; because I know
it
> must detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. &gt; But not
everyone
> has the level of interest that many of us share on this &gt; list. So many
> people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with &gt; their
landscape
> and it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for &gt; the
organic
> solution. &gt; &gt; Kitty &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt;
From:
>  <gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>&gt;
>
>  To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>&gt; Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004
> 1:10 PM &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Not
feasible
> where darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the &gt; &gt;
> bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before. It &gt;
&gt;
> works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it &gt;
&gt;
> different there? &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pam Evans &gt; &gt; Kemp,
TX &gt;
> &gt; zone 8A &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt; &gt; From: Kitty
&gt;
> &gt; Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM &gt; &gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net &gt;
&gt;
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ceres, &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to protect my
&gt;
> birch &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't know
how much
> bee activity there &gt; would &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be around birch
catkins.
> Merit had
>
>  been suggested by our Hort Ed as
>
>  a &gt; safer &gt; &gt;
>
>
>
>
>
>   &gt; &gt; &gt; product than those previously used, but no product of
>
>   this sort is &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; completely safe. I
>
>   was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in &gt; my &gt; &gt;
>
>   &gt; &gt;
>
>
>
>
>
>   &gt; application.
>
>   &gt; &gt;
>
>   &gt; &gt;
>
>   &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
>
>   &gt; &gt;
>
>   I've been on amessage
>
>   board where,
>
>   when the subject of
>
>
>
>    Merit
>
>
>
>    was raised, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; folks came out vehemently against
it for
>
>  all
>
>
>
>    sorts of reasons. But  the &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; objections came
>
>  from
>
>
>
>    people that I would guess to be totally organic &gt; types. &gt; &gt;
&gt;
>
>  &gt;
>
>
>
>    &gt; In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
>
>
>
>    we have  &gt; today, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's not feasible.
>
>  &gt;
>
>
>
>    &gt;
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I no longer use Merit
>
>
>
>    but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener &gt;  and I
>
>
>
>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; don't resort to insecticides unless absolutely
necessary.
>
>  Japanese
>
>
>
>    &gt; Beetles &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; seem to have declined in number
>
>  in
>
>
>
>    the past few
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    years, but that is &gt; probably &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; cyclical. In
a couple
>
>  more years
>
>
>
>    I may have to resort to such  measures
>
>  &gt;
>
>
>
>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
>
>  &gt;
>
>
>
>    Kitty  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original
Message
>
>
>
>    -----
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    &gt;
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
>
>
>
>    From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
>
>
>
>    To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent:
> Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [CHAT]
infor
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from it. &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; What &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; are your thoughts? I
have
> never used this product nor have I &gt; researched &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; the
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; use of. The writer seems to be a very
> knowledgeable member of this &gt; list. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Ceres &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Generally systemic
> insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe &gt; to &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; &gt; pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via the
pollen or
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; nectar, but Merit may be a bit different.
The
> active ingredient &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (imidacloprid) has two
actions.
> One, at higher doses, is lethal to &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; insects. &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; At lower doses it can affect behavior without directly
> killing the &gt; insect, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; such as stopping
aphids
> from feeding. It is the behavioral effects &gt; that &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> are &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; of concern regarding bees since it is
claimed
> that imidacloprid can &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; disrupt &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned in
France &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; because of complaints from beekeepers. Bayer (who
make
> it) deny these &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; claims based on what seems
like
> good research, and there haven't been &gt; many &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> complaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This &gt;
is
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; all &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; complicated by
the
> fact that bee populations in the US have been &gt; decimated &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well be
mites
> &gt; that &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; are causing it. So, as usual, the
> situation is murky, and it depends &gt; who &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
you
> believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is &gt;
&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of research
> projects at &gt; the &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; moment on this compound
and
> its effects on insects, so the area is of &gt; some &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
> &gt; interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to know!.
&gt;
> Bob &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hollingworth. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;
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