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Re: time to vent!


Jim: Here's a little thing to think about...it's not only the women who
have been liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as
well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this choice?
Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I know who have taken
safe babysitter classes so they can babysit as well as their female
peers? And the number of boys who choose to take home economic classes
to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's
lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom and
access to choice.



Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:
From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:06:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

All this "men's work/women's work" stuff is gibberish to me. I was born
<br>in the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that sort
of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But times change and
continue to <br>change. Women have been more-or-less liberated from such
stupid <br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible
belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty
wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't think they or women
are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my
husband <br>>> should be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the
women's movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved forward.
They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming of <br>> age<br>> in the
60s and 70s, the movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>>
positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the <br>>
movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work - women's work" type. For
the most part, <br>> if I<br>> want something done, I can do it unless
it requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength I don't have. I
also think if you can eat, you can cook and <br>> wash<br>> dishes. If
you can use a bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>> women's
movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>> Kitty<br>> -----
Original Message -----<br>> From: "Tchessie" <tchessie@comcast.net><br>>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 AM<br>>
Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up when
the kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>> working
(this happened again last week as I was pruning a low branch <br>>> off
a<br>>> bradford pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or
women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist
that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing it. My husband and I
however have a very clear agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the house
is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp

ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I wouldn't mind if he mowed
the yard <br>>> occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live
with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up or
otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great sport-<br>> after<br>>>
I've planted, moved or trimmed anything, he's always willing to be
<br>>> drug<br>> out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says it
looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he can't tell
what is different.<br>>><br>>> Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original
Message-----<br>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of cathy
carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04 PM<br>>> To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to
vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he didn't hit it with Round-Up! You
won't have blooms this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is
dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers, etc)
or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my long established big bluestem
this year, and he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they were
planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked with those
little construction flags - makes for an<br>>> attractive yard!<br>>> My
condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16 PM,
james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy. But this is one of
the reasons Ms. Fatma and I<br>>>> continually remind one another about
pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there are
also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she has only a
gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for example].<br>>>> Talking and
pointing help a lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at
02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on this list
are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>> if<br>>>>> this trend
continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road
trip, DH who should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec

id
ed to help me in the garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut down
my entire patch of queen of the prairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>> X<br>>>>>
5 ft stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home, looked
out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>> He thought it was a
weed with seed heads and didn't want it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>> it
only took me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in <br>>>>>
an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Grumble,
grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I figured this list would
understand why I am upset, seems no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>>
does:(<br>>>>><br>>>>>
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