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Re: Re: Re: time to vent!


Well I couldn't do anything about it so I just dealt w/ it. My right
handed parents weren't very sympathetic and just said "well, you
shouldn't be left handed". Thanks for your support. I'm sure that crazy
old biddy has been dead long since. Just glad she retired before my
brother started school.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Melody
Sent: 6/24/2004 9:33:03 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

> I sincerely hope that people who treat children that way will spend all
> of eternity in hell, being flogged with metal tipped cat-o-nines tails
> or something similarly vicious! I have two siblings who are both lefties
> and by the time we were all school aged, in the 70's, this was pretty
> much a non-issue.
> 
> 
> 
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> 
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
> --Albert Einstein
> 
>  --- On Thu 06/24,  < gardenqueen@academicplanet.com > wrote:
> From:  [mailto: gardenqueen@academicplanet.com]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:27:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
> 
> Jim - I still have scars on my left hand from being smacked w/ a
> metal<br>edged ruler for that. I finally got tired of bleeding on the
> paper and<br>switched. I had the same first grade teacher that taught my
> father in<br>first grade. She must have been a hundred when I got her.
> Crazy damn<br>people.<br><br><br>Pam Evans<br>Kemp, TX<br>zone
> 8A<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: james singer<br>Sent:
> 6/24/2004 4:25:02 PM<br>To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT]
> time to vent!<br><br>> Interesting, Pam.<br>> <br>> My mother and I went
> to the same high school--had a lot of the same <br>> teachers and
> administrators. She was left handed and always told me <br>> [I'm left
> handed, too] that the teachers smacked her left hand with a <br>> ruler
> when she tried to write with it.<br>> <br>> They didn't smack my left
> hand, but they did try to make me write <br>> upside down and backward
> so it would look like a righty wrote it. Of <br>> course I refused to do
> that and was often scolded for my poor <br>> penmanship. [In 2004, the
> notion of "penmanship" is out of whack; <br>> anything close to it is
> called calligraphy!]<br>> <br>> I was also the only male in my typing
> class. Again, my mother told me <br>> that if I was going to go to
> college, I needed to learn to type because <br>> that was what would be
> expected. And at the tender age of 12, I knew I <br>> wasn't going to be
> a community grunt if I could help it and would go to <br>> college or
> else fake it and forge it. That may be the only advice she <br>> ever
> gave me that I listened to, and I've always been glad I did. For <br>>
> once she was right.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at
> 12:44 PM, "" <br>> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> >
> They wouldn't let me take shop or typing either Kitty. Still can't
> type<br>> > well because of that. Of course these are the same schools
> that <br>> > wouldn't<br>> > let me write left handed either. So they
> made me write right handed and<br>> > started giving me D's in
> penmenship.
> 
> Get a clue people.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pam Evans<br>> > Kemp, TX<br>> >
> zone 8A<br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Kitty<br>> >
> Sent: 6/24/2004 10:19:51 AM<br>> > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> >
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>> ><br>> >> Thanks for the full
> view on this Melody. You are right; this is a <br>> >> win-win<br>>
> ><br>> >> situation (though some men do not see it that way)<br>> ><br>>
> >><br>> ><br>> >> Back in the 60s at my school, girls couldn't take shop
> and boys <br>> >> couldn't<br>> ><br>> >> take home-ec. --which was just
> as stupid as telling us that those <br>> >> with<br>> ><br>> >> higher
> GPAs could not take typing. Now that students have choices <br>> >> they
> may<br>> ><br>> >> actually have a chance early on to try something and
> find that they <br>> >> have an<br>> ><br>> >> affinity for it. In my
> niece and nephew's curriculum they had a <br>> >> semester of<br>>
> ><br>> >> one course that consisted of several 3 week courses on various
> <br>> >> subjects that<br>> ><br>> >> had once been gender based. They
> had the opportunity to try them all.<br>> ><br>> >><br>> ><br>> >>
> Kitty<br>> ><br>> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>> ><br>> >> From:
> "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> ><br>> >> To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> ><br>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:31
> AM<br>> ><br>> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>> ><br>> >><br>>
> ><br>> >><br>> ><br>> >>> Jim: Here's a little thing to think
> about...it's not only the women <br>> >>> who<br>> ><br>> >>> have been
> liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as<br>> ><br>>
> >>> well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this
> choice?<br>> ><br>> >>> Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I
> know who have taken<br>> ><br>> >>> safe babysitter classes so they can
> babysit as well as their female<br>> ><br>> >>> peers? And the number of
> boys who choose to take home economic <br>> >>> classes<br>> ><br>> >>>
> to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's<br>>
> ><br>>
> 
> >>
> > lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom
> and<br>> ><br>> >>> access to choice.<br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>>
> >>><br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> ><br>>
> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
> mysterious."<br>> ><br>> >>> --Albert Einstein<br>> ><br>> >>><br>>
> ><br>> >>> --- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org >
> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >>> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]<br>>
> ><br>> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> ><br>> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun
> 2004 19:06:03 -0400<br>> ><br>> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to
> vent!<br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> All this "men's work/women's work"
> stuff is gibberish to me. I was <br>> >>> born<br>> ><br>> >>> <br>in
> the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that <br>> >>>
> sort<br>> ><br>> >>> of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But
> times change and<br>> ><br>> >>> continue to <br>change. Women have been
> more-or-less liberated from <br>> >>> such<br>> ><br>> >>> stupid
> <br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible<br>> ><br>>
> >>> belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM,
> Kitty<br>> ><br>> >>> wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't
> think they or women<br>> ><br>> >>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning
> saw and almost insist that my<br>> ><br>> >>> husband <br>>> should
> be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the<br>> ><br>> >>> women's
> movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved <br>> >>>
> forward.<br>> ><br>> >>> They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming
> of <br>> age<br>> in <br>> >>> the<br>> ><br>> >>> 60s and 70s, the
> movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>><br>> ><br>> >>>
> positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the
> <br>><br>> ><br>> >>> movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work -
> women's work" type. For<br>> ><br>> >>> the most part, <br>> if I<br>>
> want something done, I can do it <br>> >>> unless<br>> ><br>> >>> it
> requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength
> 
> I don't have. I<br>> ><br>> >>> also think if you can eat, you can cook
> and <br>> wash<br>> dishes. <br>> >>> If<br>> ><br>> >>> you can use a
> bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>> <br>> >>> women's<br>>
> ><br>> >>> movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>>
> Kitty<br>> <br>> >>> -----<br>> ><br>> >>> Original Message -----<br>>
> From: "Tchessie" <br>> >>> <tchessie@comcast.net><br>><br>> ><br>> >>>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 <br>>
> >>> AM<br>><br>> ><br>> >>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to
> vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up <br>> >>> when<br>> ><br>> >>> the
> kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>> <br>> >>>
> working<br>> ><br>> >>> (this happened again last week as I was pruning
> a low branch <br>>> <br>> >>> off<br>> ><br>> >>> a<br>>> bradford
> pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or<br>> ><br>> >>>
> women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost <br>>
> >>> insist<br>> ><br>> >>> that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing
> it. My husband and I<br>> ><br>> >>> however have a very clear
> agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the <br>> >>> house<br>> ><br>> >>>
> is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp<br>> ><br>>
> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I
> wouldn't mind if he <br>> >>> mowed<br>> ><br>> >>> the yard <br>>>
> occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live<br>> ><br>> >>>
> with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up
> or<br>> ><br>> >>> otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great
> sport-<br>> after<br>>><br>> ><br>> >>> I've planted, moved or trimmed
> anything, he's always willing to be<br>> ><br>> >>> <br>>> drug<br>>
> out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says <br>> >>> it<br>>
> ><br>> >>> looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he
> can't <br>> >>> tell<br>> ><br>> >>> what is different.<br>>><br>>>
> Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original<br>> ><br>> >>> Message-----<br>>>
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net<br
> 
> >>
> ><br>> >>> [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of
> cathy<br>> ><br>> >>> carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04
> PM<br>>> To:<br>> ><br>> >>> gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re:
> [CHAT] time to<br>> ><br>> >>> vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he
> didn't hit it with Round-Up! You<br>> ><br>> >>> won't have blooms
> this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is<br>> ><br>> >>>
> dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers,
> <br>> >>> etc)<br>> ><br>> >>> or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my
> long established big <br>> >>> bluestem<br>> ><br>> >>> this year, and
> he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they <br>> >>> were<br>>
> ><br>> >>> planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked
> with <br>> >>> those<br>> ><br>> >>> little construction flags - makes
> for an<br>>> attractive <br>> >>> yard!<br>>> My<br>> ><br>> >>>
> condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16
> PM,<br>> ><br>> >>> james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy.
> But this is one <br>> >>> of<br>> ><br>> >>> the reasons Ms. Fatma and
> I<br>>>> continually remind one another <br>> >>> about<br>> ><br>> >>>
> pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there
> are<br>> ><br>> >>> also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she
> has only a<br>> ><br>> >>> gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for
> example].<br>>>> Talking <br>> >>> and<br>> ><br>> >>> pointing help a
> lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, <br>> >>> at<br>>
> ><br>> >>> 02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on
> this list<br>> ><br>> >>> are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>>
> if<br>>>>> this trend<br>> ><br>> >>> continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road<br>> ><br>> >>> trip, DH who
> should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec<br>> ><br>> >>><br>>
> ><br>> >>> id<br>> ><br>> >>> ed to help me in the
> garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut <br>> >>> down<br>>
> ><br>> >>> my entire patch of queen of the p
> 
> rairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>> <br>> >>> X<br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> 5 ft
> stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home, <br>> >>>
> looked<br>> ><br>> >>> out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>>
> He thought it was a<br>> ><br>> >>> weed with seed heads and didn't want
> it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>> <br>> >>> it<br>> ><br>> >>> only took
> me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in <br>> >>>
> <br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
> Grumble,<br>> ><br>> >>> grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I
> figured this list would<br>> ><br>> >>> understand why I am upset, seems
> no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> does:(<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>
> ><br>> >>>
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