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Re: todays experience

Kitty: Absoulutely no snobbery detected, I promise. Just wanted to make
a point, as I think Marge did more elegantly than I could, that there is
room for it all in this great big world of ours. I am glad that there is
a market available for people to buy and sell what they like...

I myself have only rarely bought anything mail order, mostly because I
don't do credit cards or credit of any kind other than house/car loans.
Don't believe in it...think it's been the evil downfall of modern
economics. But that's neither here nor there...point is, so many places
have stopped accepting checks and its such a pain in the rear to do
money orders, that it really limits how and where I can purchase plants.
But it keeps me out of debt, so I've learned to live with only having
what I can pay cash for.

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Sat 05/08, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:
From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 23:37:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays experience

Melody - I really didn't intend to come across as a plant snob, though
I<br>suppose I may be to some extent. I have Purple Coneflowers and and
Tawny<br>Daylilies because I love their simple charm. But I kicked the
Shasta<br>Daisies out long ago because they're a royal pain.<br><br>I
understand K-Marts carrying such items, actually I'm happy they
don't<br>carry anything rare, as it would be a shame to see them gasping
their last<br>breaths when no one waters them. But it would be nice for
"bonafide"<br>nurseries to offer something unusual.<br><br>There is a
huge world of plants to be expereinced and I hope to God we'll<br>never
be reduced to some "white list". Personally, I don't care if
there<br>are times when nothing is blooming. The week or two of that
Glaucidium will<br>be enough to carry me through. I'm a collector, not a
designer, so I'll<br>keep hoping to find something interesting,
breathtaking.<br><br>I don't argue the need for tried and true, but to
tell the tr

uth, there is<br>more to try.<br><br>Kitty<br><br>----- Original Message
----- <br>From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:15 PM<br>Subject:
Re: [CHAT] todays experience<br><br><br>> Now, as someone whose gardens
are full of very ordinary<br>> plants...daylilies, peonies, phlox, etc.
and whatever else I can pick up<br>> at Walmart, here is another point
of view...<br>><br>> Perhaps one of the reasons that places like Walmart
and Lowes, etc.<br>> carry so much of this very ordinary stuff is
because of supply and<br>> demand...They order what they know they can
sell and obviously what many<br>> people like myself want is just
ordinary, tried and true standards. I<br>> have a great love of
gardening but am I going to go out of my way to<br>> look for the
unusual to put in my garden? Probably not and if so, then<br>> only
very, very rarely. I like the looks of a garden that is filled with<br>>
these tried and true friends

, so I guess places like the big box stores<br>> market themselves to
people like me. Even when I do go out of my way to<br>> go to a local
grower, I still look for the things I am familiar with and<br>> that are
inexpensive and affordable. No way am I going to pay $30 for a<br>>
plant that I don't even know will survive. Matter of fact, I have a
hard<br>> time spending more than about $10 on any one plant, unless
it's a rose.<br>> Also, please notice that I said that in order to go to
one of the local<br>> nurseries, I would have to go out of my way to get
there. Whereas, I am<br>> at Walmart at least once a week, usually more,
throughout the entire<br>> growing season...convenience could be my
middle name! :-)<br>><br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The
most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> --Albert
Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Fri 05/07, james singer < jsinger@igc.org >
wrote:<br>> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]<br>> To: gar

denchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:54:59 -0400<br>> Subject:
Re: [CHAT] todays experience<br>><br>> I agree 110%, Kitty. But it's the
vision thing. And most of them don't<br>> <br>have it. I've always
suspected that if the normally inept local<br>> <br>merchants would quit
whining about Wal-Mart and start offering value<br>> <br>[instead of
same-old, same-old], they could very well whup the<br>> Arkansas
<br>titan. If you read the NYTimes or the WSJ, you know that<br>>
Wal-Mart's <br>plan in invade real cities [as opposed to jerk-water<br>>
towns like my <br>neighborhood] has stalled again. They are
frightened<br>> of competition <br>from quality merchandise. There are
lessons there.<br>> Mom and pop need to <br>wake up.<br><br>On Friday,
May 7, 2004, at 05:42<br>> PM, Kitty wrote:<br><br>&gt; Jim, you're
right. But a smart nursery<br>> buyer could spend a little time<br>&gt;
looking for more options. The<br>> min order qty can be overcome. Green
<br>&gt; Mtn<br>

&gt; Transplants<br>> offers the ordinary and a few extraordinaries that
you can <br>&gt;<br>> mix<br>&gt; and match all you want at no add

itional cost. I'm sure there<br>> are <br>&gt; others out<br>&gt; there.
Doesn't Barry Glick - Sunshine<br>> Farms - do this?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
Also, I'm aware of a couple of small<br>> nursery owners who split
orders. <br>&gt; They<br>&gt; are on opposite<br>> sides of town, so
generally aren't competing for <br>&gt;<br>> customers.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
I think sometimes it can be the buyers'<br>> fault. No imagination. But
<br>&gt; there's<br>&gt; a caveat to sticking<br>> with the tried and
true. Small nurseries can't <br>&gt; compete<br>&gt;<br>> with the big
box stores on the same merchandise. Why pay $15 for<br>> a<br>&gt;
Rudbeckia that you can pick up for $3.99 at K-Mart?<br>> Specializing in
<br>&gt; the<br>&gt; right area, creating your niche, is<br>> what will
keep the little guy in<br>&gt; business. Your specialty might<br>> be
the kind of plants, or the service <br>&gt; or<br>&gt; even the<br>>
ambience. But it can't be the price.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>>

&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; From:<br>> &quot;james
singer&quot; &lt;jsinger@igc.org&gt;<br>&gt; To:<br>>
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Friday<br>><br>> , May 07,
2004 3:52 PM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT] todays<br>>
experience<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I think Lynda's got it
right.<br>> Tried and true is safe and predictable.<br>&gt;&gt; In
addition, plants<br>> are perishable and there's the minimum
quantity<br>&gt;&gt; thing that<br>> make's it iffy to buy on
speculation.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; This<br>> tendency on the part of
the marketplace to standardize is<br>> what<br>&gt;&gt; makes
underground markets--plant society sales,<br>> farmers'
markets,<br>&gt;&gt; garage<br>>
sales--interesting.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Friday, May 7, 2004,
at<br>> 09:19 AM, Lynda Young wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The
owners I've<br>> spoken to in this area says it's better business
to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> stick with the well-known, comfortable

plants that everyone<br>> <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; recognizes.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
Not enough space or money<br>> to invest a lot in plants that most
people<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; not familiar
with.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> But, isn't that part of the
fun of gardening? Stretching the<br>> limits<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
and<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; trying something new in the<br>> hope of finding a
great addition to your<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; plantings.<br>> Unfortunately, it
seems you can only do that through<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> mail-order in
most cases. Certainly not everything you get<br>> will<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;
thrive,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; but when an experiment<br>> works it is a real
thrill.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> Lynda<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Zone
7 - West Tn<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; From:<br>> owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]<br>> On<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Behalf Of
Donna<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent: Thur

sday, May<br>> 06, 2004 9:31 PM<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] todays<br>>
experience<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Yeah I
am<br>> kinda worried about that.... There are so many more<br>>
choices<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; via mail order, but I always wondered about<br>>
that.. like if they are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; really hardy and grow able
here,<br>> why i<br>><br>> sn<br>> 't any of the
nurseries<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; carrying<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; them? I<br>>
understand the big box stores only do the main plants, but<br>>
<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; what<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; about the specialty<br>>
ones?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Anyone care to explain it to<br>>
Uh-oh,<br>> Donna. Careful - you might get hooked with this mail<br>>
order<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; thing! And, believe me, I know whereof I
speak<br>> ;o)<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt

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