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Re: New oleander/schools


I wish Kerry were stronger.  He wouldn't have been my first choice, but at
this point I would vote for Mr. Ed over letting W keep wreak havoc for
another 4 yrs.  When he took office I thought he might be ok, couldn't be as
bad for this country as his dad was, but day after day he proves me wrong.
He is far worse and every day brings sadder news of his trampling the
cherished dreams of this country.  Meanwhile, he plays his religion card and
too many good people follow him blindly because he's a "God-fearing man".
However, a recent local letter to the editor put the ball squarely back in
their court, suggesting they try thinking.  He quoted scripture to them:
John 4:1, "My dear friends, don't believe everything you hear.  Carefully
weigh and examine what people tell you.  Not everyone who talks about God
comes from God."

Nader?  He's an a*s. I understand why he feels the way he does, but he's
only making matters worse.
Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools


> Yes Jim, you're right but it's more than that.  First I should point out
> that my kids took three weeks out of their year to take tests proving that
> they have learned what they are supposed to have learned.  That's a
> significant amount of time to take out of their year.  If their school
> doesn't improve the state may take over the school.
>
> Second, in our hurry to incorporate all children my kids are mixed with
> other kids whose first language isn't English.  How is any teacher
supposed
> to teach when half the class can barely understand what the teacher is
> saying?  How is any bright student supposed to stay awake and feel
> challenged when they are waiting for many others to catch up?  The Salad
> Bowl theory ain't working folks.  Throw those who aren't competent in
> English into seperate classes until they are competent.  Sorry, I realize
> this is closer to Seperate but Equal than it is to Brown versus the Board
of
> Education but otherwise we are simply asking for mediocracy.  Unless we
all
> speak the same language there can be no equality in learning.
>
> Third and just as important President Bush is an idiot and Nader has gone
> completely looney.  On the other hand Kerry isn't exactly lighting up the
> electorate.
>
> As a post scrip I just saw that in Oregon Kerry and Bush are in a dead tie
> with Nader taking 5%.  Now I ask you who do you suppose that 5% would go
to
> if Nader wasn't in the race?  People in Oregon are blowing me away.
>
> David Franzman
> A Touch of the Tropics
> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools
>
>
> > Near as I can figure, the No Child..etc. is a political answer to a
> > fiscal problem, and it appears to be just as slap-dash as everything
> > else this administration has dreamed up. What the schools need is more
> > money so they can reduce class sizes. That will allow the teachers to
> > teach rather than baby sit.
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, at 05:03 AM, Melody wrote:
> >
> > > DF: This is the result of a poorly thought out and woefully
underfunded
> > > "No Child Left Behind Act", brought to you courtesy of our current
> > > government officials. In order to continue qualifying for federal
> > > financial aid for school districts, each school must meet grade level
> > > requirements, you know. Well, if a certain percentage of the children
> > > can't make it and that prevents the school from getting funding, then
> > > what is the logical step? To reduce the level of difficulty of what is
> > > being taught to the lowest common denominator, i.e. dumbing down. In
> > > it's purest form, NCLB would be a godsend to the children of
> > > America...teaching them to reach for the highest standards. In it's
> > > current bastardized version, it's a nightmare! Political action,
> > > though...the strength of character to stand up for what you believe
> > > in...is the only thing that will change this unfortunate course of
> > > action our elected officials have embarked upon. Write or call your
> > > local federal and state legislators and demand that they fully fund
the
> > > NCLB act. Okay...off the soapbox now...sorry, folks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> > >
> > > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> > > --Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >  --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
> > > From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools
> > >
> > > No, no, no Pam! It's "Can I supersize that for you!" Man, could I tell
> > > you<br>stories about my kids school. They watch more movies than the
> > > attendants at<br>the Sundance Movie Festival. What's worse is that not
> > > only are most of the<br>movies out of context with the class but many
> > > of
> > > them are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we talking about an elementary
> > > school? Nope! High school. The<br>coup d' grace was when my daughter
> > > came home from school and she told me<br>that they watched, in Spanish
> > > class, a Flintstones cartoon movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did have
> > > Spanish subtitles. The schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and I find
> > > it repugnant.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of the
> > > Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message -----
> > > <br>From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:
> > > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:35
PM<br>Subject:
> > > Re: Re: [CHAT] New oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Agreed. I've seen
what
> > > the local public schools produce here - you want<br>fries w/ that?
> > > Appalling.<br>><br>> Pam Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>> zone 8A<br>> -----
> > > Original Message -----<br>> From: james singer<br>> Sent: 5/17/2004
> > > 4:24:57 PM<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New
> > > oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And I think the Montessori
> > > environment is perfect to<br>> > bring out their curiosity. I think
the
> > > best part--that older children<br>> > have responsibilities in the
> > > education of younger children--encourages<br>> > a kind of
intellectual
> > > development that simply does not occur in other<br>> > settings. And I
> > > think that is why a high percentage of Montessori<br>> > graduates
> > > succeed at university.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Monday, May 17, 2004,
at
> > > 09:04 AM, Zemuly@aol.com wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > In a message dated
> > > 5/17/2004 4:08:07 AM Central Standard Time,<br>> > > jsinger@igc.org
> > > writes:<br>> > > Ms. Fatma teaches the primary grades in a Montessori
> > > school.<br>> > > I volunteer with that same age group at our local
> > > Montessori school.<br>> > > That<br>> > > age is the gre
> > >
> > > atest. They are adorable and so eager to learn.<br>> > > zem<br>> >
> > >> <br>> > >
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