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Re: Re: /schools

I thought I remembered something about being a chef...which brings me to
my real question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be a
chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage her in
this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a chef? What schooling is
involved? TIA.

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools

Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question but, certified
chef,<br>manufacturers rep, degree in American History minored in
political science.<br>Can you tell???<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch
of the Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message
----- <br>From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:36
PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> DF: Just out of
curiosity...what did you do for a living before the hibs.<br>consumed
you?<br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most beautiful
thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> --Albert
Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman <
dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> From: David Franzman [mailto:
dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Wed, 19
May 2004 22:16:47 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>><br>>
It's funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road
except<br>> with<br>two things education and health care. On the other
side though<br>> I'm a<br>personal responsibility type of guy. I hate
the victimization<br>> thing that we<br>have going on in this country.
Typically that's an<br>> excuse which I can't<br>stand. And if they pass
anymore laws trying to<br>> protect me from myself I may<br>just commit
hari kari...or is that<br>> against the law?<br><br>With education you
simply can't have a democracy<br>> without a well educated<br>populace.
And of course diverse sources of<br>> news but that's a
different<br>topic. I assure you Kitty that if J. Paul<br>> Getty's kids
went to public<br>schools...they would find the<br>> money.<br><br>With
health care I've spent millions of dollars on<br>> research and I'm
fairly<br>certain that a germ doesn't stop at gated<br>> communities.
So, we had better<br>find a way to pay for that also or not<br>> only
will we have a bunch of people<br>who can't add past 2 + 2 but<br>>
they'll be disease carriers as well.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch
of<br>> the Tropics<br>

www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message<br>> -----
<br>From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:<br>>
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:54<br>>
AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> I understand
your<br>> theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply sounded<br>>
'heated'. Not so,<br>> just speaking up.<br>><br>> However, if your
theory were to be put into<br>> practice - which it can't be -<br>>
there'd be less money to go around.<br>> I have no idea how many
millions of<br>kids<br>> are in private schools,<br>> but if they were
all sent to public schools, the<br>> system would<br>> collapse. Public
schools are using the funds from taxes that<br>> pay<br>> for private
kids on the public kids and still can't make ends<br>> meet.<br>><br>>
Also, one of the great privleges we as Americans enjoy<br>> is choice. I
don't<br>> approve of home-schooling, but I do believe<br>> those
parents have the right<br>to<br>> choose that route. I also<br>> believe
that if you want special schooling for<<br>><br>> br>> your kids - like
the nutcases who enroll their kids in nursery<br>> school<br>while<br>>
they are still in the womb - you can make that<br>> choice. To say NO to
these<br>> choices and to private school simply<br>> because you think
it could improve<br>> public schools, goes against the<br>> grain of our
society. It's socialistic<br>or<br>> maybe even communistic<br>> - both
systems with good ideals and properties -<br>that<br>> will not<br>>
necessarily fix the public school problem. Public schools<br>>
must<br>fix<br>> themselves, thus making themselves attractive, by<br>>
choice, to consumers.<br>><br>> Also - the best and the brightest
are<br>> not necessarily in private schools.<br>W<br>> went to
private<br>> schools.<br>><br>> Kitty<br>><br>> ----- Original Message
----- <br>><br>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>>
To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:14
AM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>><br>><br>> > "T

broad a<br>> statement, David."<br>> ><br>> > Kitty, I don't want to get
into a<br>> heated debate over what is simply my<br>> > belief however I
don't<br>> understand why your personal experience with<br>> > parochial
schools<br>> makes my statement too broad. My point was that if we<br>>
> were all<br>> sent to the same institutions of learning instead of
separate<br>> ><br>> whether for personal reasons or wealth the entire
society would<br>> have<br>more<br>> > concern for the welfare of public
education which as<br>> you must admit<br>turns<br>> > out far more
children than private.<br>> Therefore our schools would
be<br>better<br>> > because there would be<br>> far more involvement by
those who wield more<br>power<br>> > within our<br>> society.<br>>
><br>> > Nobody would argue that private institutions are<br>> bad
places for<br>learning.<br>> > Far from it. In fact, what they do
is<br>> funnel the best and the brightest<br>> out<br>> > of the public
school<br>> system and even worse take the most powerful people<br>>
in<br>> > the<br>> country and make public education not their
problem.<br>> ><br>> ><br>><br>> > David Franzman<br>> > A Touch of the
Tropics<br>> > w<br>><br>> ww<br>> .atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > -----
Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> From: "Kitty"
<kmrsy@comcast.net><br>> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>><br>> > Sent:
Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]<br>>
/schools<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult life:<br>>
Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country.<br>> >
><br>> Too broad a statement, David.<br>> > > Speaking from my
experience of 12<br>> years of parochial school, which is<br>> > >
private school, but not<br>> quite the private school that Bill Gate's
kids<br>> > would<br>> > ><br>> attend.......<br>> > > I was able to
receive a good education with, I<br>> believe, less of the<br>> > >
interuptions you mentioned in another<br>> post. Baby-sitting
didn't<br>happen<br>> in<br>> > > my classes. Can't<br>> behave ? Ou

t you go. My parents paid tuition for<br>3<br>> of<br>> > ><br>> us and
we weren't well off by any standards. All the parents that<br>> pay<br>>
> > tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from the<br>> govt,
and yet<br>> they<br>> > > do not make use of funds that the govt<br>>
has assigned for public<br>schools.<br>> > For<br>> > > 12 yrs x 3,
my<br>> folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND they<br>>
paid<br>> ><br>> > tuition. This allows the public schools extra funds.
It's not our<br>><br>> fault<br>> > > they didn't use it wisely. If I
had had kids, they too<br>> would have<br>> > attended<br>> > >
parochial school.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> Kitty<br>> > ><br>> > > -----
Original Message ----- <br>> > > From:<br>> "David Franzman"
<dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>> > > To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > >
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM<br>><br>> > > Subject: Re: Re:
[CHAT] /schools<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > Melody<br>> (I'm sorry
folks I realize this is a garden group and not a<br>> ><br>>
soapbox<br>> > > > for political agendas) I think the problem is in
the<br>> reality. The<br>> > reality<br>> > > > is that there are far
too many<br>> students in California who don't care<br>> and<br>> > > >
whose parents<br>> don't care whether they get an education or not.
Fact<br>> is<br>> > ><br>> that<br>> ><br>><br>> > > there is only so
much money and resources and the way we<br>> casually<br>> spend<br>> >
> > money in this country insures a bleak<br>> future for
education.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult<br>> life:
Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country. They<br>>
guarantee unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and<br>> Warren<br>> > >
><br>> Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having
this<br>> ><br>> discussion<br>> > > > right now. But as long as we
don't we lose untold<br>> thousands of<br>bright<br>> > > kids<br>> > >
> who don't have the<br>> resources to a good education and hence
fall<br>> through<br>> > ><br>> the<br>> > > > cracks.

r>> > > ><br>> > > > David Franzman<br>> > > > A<br>> Touch of the
Tropics<br>> > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > > ><br>> -----
Original Message ----- <br>> > > > From: "Melody"<br>>
<mhobertm@excite.com><br>> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > >
><br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM<br>> > > > Subject: Re: Re:
[CHAT]<br>> New oleander/schools<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > > DF:
This is the<br>> result of a poorly thought out and woefully<br>> >
underfunded<br>> > ><br>> > > "No Child Left Behind Act", brought to you
courtesy of our<br>> current<br>> > > > > government officials. In order
to continue<br>> qualifying for federal<br>> > > > > financial aid for
school districts,<br>> each school must meet grade<br>> level<br>> > > >
> requirements, you<br>> know. Well, if a certain percentage of the<br>>
children<br>> > > > ><br>> can't make it and that prevents the school
from getting funding,<br>><br>> then<br>> > > > > what is the logical
step? To reduce the level of<br>> difficulty of<br>what<br>> is<br>> > >
> > being taught to the lowest<br>> common denominator, i.e. dumbing
down.<br>In<br>> > > > > it's purest<br>> form, NCLB would be a godsend
to the children of<br>> > > > ><br>> America...teaching them to reach
for the highest standards.<br>> In<br>it's<br>> > > > > current
bastardized version, it's a nightmare!<br>> Political action,<br>> > > >
> though...the strength of character to<br>> stand up for what
you<br>believe<br>> > > > > in...is the<br>><br>> o<br>> nly thing that
will change this unfortunate course of<br>> > > > ><br>> action our
elected officials have embarked upon. Write or<br>> call<br>your<br>> >
> > > local federal and state legislators and demand<br>> that they
fully<br>fund<br>> > the<br>> > > > > NCLB act. Okay...off the<br>>
soapbox now...sorry, folks!<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > >
><br>><br>> > > > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > "The
most beautiful<br>> thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> > >
> > --Albert<br>> Einstein<br>> >

> > ><br>> > > > > --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman <<br>>
dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> > > > > From: David Franzman
[mailto:<br>> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> > > > > To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > > ><br>> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32
-0700<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> [CHAT] New
oleander/schools<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > No, no, no Pam!<br>> It's
"Can I supersize that for you!" Man, could I<br>> tell<br>> > > > ><br>>
you<br>stories about my kids school. They watch more movies<br>>
than<br>the<br>> > > > > attendants at<br>the Sundance Movie
Festival.<br>> What's worse is that<br>> not<br>> > > > > only are most
of<br>> the<br>movies out of context with the class but<br>> many<br>> >
of<br>><br>> > > > > them are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we talking
about<br>> an<br>elementary<br>> > > > > school? Nope! High school.
The<br>coup d'<br>> grace was when my<br>daughter<br>> > > > > came home
from school and she<br>> told me<br>that they watched, in<br>>
Spanish<br>> > > > > class, a<br>> Flintstones cartoon
movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did<br>have<br>> > > ><br>> > Spanish
subtitles. The schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and I<br>><br>>
find<br>> > > > > it repugnant.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of<br>>
the<br>> > > > > Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>-----<br>>
Original<br>> Message -----<br>> > > > > <br>From:<br>>
<gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:<br>> > > > ><br>>
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:35<br>> ><br>>
PM<br>Subject:<br>> > > > > Re: Re: [CHAT] New<br>>
oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Agreed. I've seen<br>> > what<br>> > > >
><br>> the local public schools produc<br>><br>> e here - you
want<br>fries w/ that?<br>> > > > > Appalling.<br>><br>><br>> Pam
Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>> zone<br>8A<br>> -----<br>> > > > >
Original<br>> Message -----<br>> From: james singer<br>>
Sent:<br>5/17/2004<br>> > > ><br>> > 4:24:57 PM<br>> To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re:<br>> [CHAT]<br>New<br>> > > > >
oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And I<br>> thi


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