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Re: Re: chefs


Melody, the restaurant business is another one of those of the haves and
have nots.  If you have noticed the cost of going to lunch has changed very
little in 20 years or so and wages have remained pretty stagnant as well.
The quickest way to the top of the food chain is through one of the elite
(and very expensive) schools such as the Cordon Bleu in NY or the California
Culinary Academy in SF.  I'm sure you have some in the Midwest but these are
the cream of the crop.  The students do the assigned work for the prescribed
amount of time, a year and a half I believe, and then do years apprenticing
behind top chefs in the field.  Hopefully if the pupil is creative and is
willing to work 10-12 hours a day six days a week they will make a name for
themselves and then break loose and be offered a restaurant that they will
then be top dog.

The MOST  important quality that chefs are looking for is someone WHO DOES
WHAT THEY ARE TOLD WITHOUT QUESTION.  No going off on their own tangent
because they thought it was an improvement, no thinking for themselves, none
of that. Do the same thing over and over and over exactly the same way.
Afterall as a customer when you go to a restaurant and order something you
don't want it to look or taste different each time you go in.

The other way to being a chef (though this will not get the top jobs in the
country but should provide a descent living and is the avenue that I took)
is to work under good chefs and getting enough experience to be offered a
position as chef.  The key here is to work under enough different people to
have a wide range of experience in many different arenas of the culinary
field.  Don't be fooled by working under one or two different people that
you have well balanced knowledge.  There are so many shortcuts these days
that a person you think has his act together is really just a shoemaker
(euphemism for a hacker or bad cook).  Knowing that I didn't want to do this
for a living I didn't peruse this as much as I could but I worked under
French, Italian, Danish, Chinese and Japanese chefs.  As I said it takes
years and many of those years you're making 8 bucks an hour.  Don't be so
loyal to one individual that you are unwilling to move on to better
yourself.  That is really the key to this avenue.

I guess that is enough.  Melody if you or your daughter has other question
email me off the list and I'll be happy to try and help.  One other very
important note:  I've seen many people who were great cooks at home and
thought they wanted to get into that business.  Then they find out the
reality.  It ain't the same thing and not even close.  I used to hate having
some graduates of the academies come in and try and hang.  For them it was
absolute culture shock.  One guy literally went yelling off the line one
Friday night never to be seen again.

David Franzman
A Touch of the Tropics
www.atouchofthetropics.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools


> I thought I remembered something about being a chef...which brings me to
> my real question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be a
> chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage her in
> this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a chef? What schooling is
> involved? TIA.
>
>
>
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
>
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>
>  --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
> From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools
>
> Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question but, certified
> chef,<br>manufacturers rep, degree in American History minored in
> political science.<br>Can you tell???<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch
> of the Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message
> ----- <br>From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:36
> PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> DF: Just out of
> curiosity...what did you do for a living before the hibs.<br>consumed
> you?<br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most beautiful
> thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> --Albert
> Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman <
> dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> From: David Franzman [mailto:
> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Wed, 19
> May 2004 22:16:47 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>><br>>
> It's funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road
> except<br>> with<br>two things education and health care. On the other
> side though<br>> I'm a<br>personal responsibility type of guy. I hate
> the victimization<br>> thing that we<br>have going on in this country.
> Typically that's an<br>> excuse which I can't<br>stand. And if they pass
> anymore laws trying to<br>> protect me from myself I may<br>just commit
> hari kari...or is that<br>> against the law?<br><br>With education you
> simply can't have a democracy<br>> without a well educated<br>populace.
> And of course diverse sources of<br>> news but that's a
> different<br>topic. I assure you Kitty that if J. Paul<br>> Getty's kids
> went to public<br>schools...they would find the<br>> money.<br><br>With
> health care I've spent millions of dollars on<br>> research and I'm
> fairly<br>certain that a germ doesn't stop at gated<br>> communities.
> So, we had better<br>find a way to pay for that also or not<br>> only
> will we have a bunch of people<br>who can't add past 2 + 2 but<br>>
> they'll be disease carriers as well.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch
> of<br>> the Tropics<br>
>
> www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message<br>> -----
> <br>From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:<br>>
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:54<br>>
> AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> I understand
> your<br>> theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply sounded<br>>
> 'heated'. Not so,<br>> just speaking up.<br>><br>> However, if your
> theory were to be put into<br>> practice - which it can't be -<br>>
> there'd be less money to go around.<br>> I have no idea how many
> millions of<br>kids<br>> are in private schools,<br>> but if they were
> all sent to public schools, the<br>> system would<br>> collapse. Public
> schools are using the funds from taxes that<br>> pay<br>> for private
> kids on the public kids and still can't make ends<br>> meet.<br>><br>>
> Also, one of the great privleges we as Americans enjoy<br>> is choice. I
> don't<br>> approve of home-schooling, but I do believe<br>> those
> parents have the right<br>to<br>> choose that route. I also<br>> believe
> that if you want special schooling for<<br>><br>> br>> your kids - like
> the nutcases who enroll their kids in nursery<br>> school<br>while<br>>
> they are still in the womb - you can make that<br>> choice. To say NO to
> these<br>> choices and to private school simply<br>> because you think
> it could improve<br>> public schools, goes against the<br>> grain of our
> society. It's socialistic<br>or<br>> maybe even communistic<br>> - both
> systems with good ideals and properties -<br>that<br>> will not<br>>
> necessarily fix the public school problem. Public schools<br>>
> must<br>fix<br>> themselves, thus making themselves attractive, by<br>>
> choice, to consumers.<br>><br>> Also - the best and the brightest
> are<br>> not necessarily in private schools.<br>W<br>> went to
> private<br>> schools.<br>><br>> Kitty<br>><br>> ----- Original Message
> ----- <br>><br>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>>
> To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:14
> AM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>><br>><br>> > "T
>
> oo
> broad a<br>> statement, David."<br>> ><br>> > Kitty, I don't want to get
> into a<br>> heated debate over what is simply my<br>> > belief however I
> don't<br>> understand why your personal experience with<br>> > parochial
> schools<br>> makes my statement too broad. My point was that if we<br>>
> > were all<br>> sent to the same institutions of learning instead of
> separate<br>> ><br>> whether for personal reasons or wealth the entire
> society would<br>> have<br>more<br>> > concern for the welfare of public
> education which as<br>> you must admit<br>turns<br>> > out far more
> children than private.<br>> Therefore our schools would
> be<br>better<br>> > because there would be<br>> far more involvement by
> those who wield more<br>power<br>> > within our<br>> society.<br>>
> ><br>> > Nobody would argue that private institutions are<br>> bad
> places for<br>learning.<br>> > Far from it. In fact, what they do
> is<br>> funnel the best and the brightest<br>> out<br>> > of the public
> school<br>> system and even worse take the most powerful people<br>>
> in<br>> > the<br>> country and make public education not their
> problem.<br>> ><br>> ><br>><br>> > David Franzman<br>> > A Touch of the
> Tropics<br>> > w<br>><br>> ww<br>> .atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > -----
> Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> From: "Kitty"
> <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>><br>> > Sent:
> Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]<br>>
> /schools<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult life:<br>>
> Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country.<br>> >
> ><br>> Too broad a statement, David.<br>> > > Speaking from my
> experience of 12<br>> years of parochial school, which is<br>> > >
> private school, but not<br>> quite the private school that Bill Gate's
> kids<br>> > would<br>> > ><br>> attend.......<br>> > > I was able to
> receive a good education with, I<br>> believe, less of the<br>> > >
> interuptions you mentioned in another<br>> post. Baby-sitting
> didn't<br>happen<br>> in<br>> > > my classes. Can't<br>> behave ? Ou
>
> t you go. My parents paid tuition for<br>3<br>> of<br>> > ><br>> us and
> we weren't well off by any standards. All the parents that<br>> pay<br>>
> > > tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from the<br>> govt,
> and yet<br>> they<br>> > > do not make use of funds that the govt<br>>
> has assigned for public<br>schools.<br>> > For<br>> > > 12 yrs x 3,
> my<br>> folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND they<br>>
> paid<br>> ><br>> > tuition. This allows the public schools extra funds.
> It's not our<br>><br>> fault<br>> > > they didn't use it wisely. If I
> had had kids, they too<br>> would have<br>> > attended<br>> > >
> parochial school.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> Kitty<br>> > ><br>> > > -----
> Original Message ----- <br>> > > From:<br>> "David Franzman"
> <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>> > > To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > >
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM<br>><br>> > > Subject: Re: Re:
> [CHAT] /schools<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > Melody<br>> (I'm sorry
> folks I realize this is a garden group and not a<br>> ><br>>
> soapbox<br>> > > > for political agendas) I think the problem is in
> the<br>> reality. The<br>> > reality<br>> > > > is that there are far
> too many<br>> students in California who don't care<br>> and<br>> > > >
> whose parents<br>> don't care whether they get an education or not.
> Fact<br>> is<br>> > ><br>> that<br>> ><br>><br>> > > there is only so
> much money and resources and the way we<br>> casually<br>> spend<br>> >
> > > money in this country insures a bleak<br>> future for
> education.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult<br>> life:
> Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country. They<br>>
> guarantee unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and<br>> Warren<br>> > >
> ><br>> Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having
> this<br>> ><br>> discussion<br>> > > > right now. But as long as we
> don't we lose untold<br>> thousands of<br>bright<br>> > > kids<br>> > >
> > who don't have the<br>> resources to a good education and hence
> fall<br>> through<br>> > ><br>> the<br>> > > > cracks.
>
> <b
> r>> > > ><br>> > > > David Franzman<br>> > > > A<br>> Touch of the
> Tropics<br>> > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > > ><br>> -----
> Original Message ----- <br>> > > > From: "Melody"<br>>
> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > >
> ><br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM<br>> > > > Subject: Re: Re:
> [CHAT]<br>> New oleander/schools<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > > DF:
> This is the<br>> result of a poorly thought out and woefully<br>> >
> underfunded<br>> > ><br>> > > "No Child Left Behind Act", brought to you
> courtesy of our<br>> current<br>> > > > > government officials. In order
> to continue<br>> qualifying for federal<br>> > > > > financial aid for
> school districts,<br>> each school must meet grade<br>> level<br>> > > >
> > requirements, you<br>> know. Well, if a certain percentage of the<br>>
> children<br>> > > > ><br>> can't make it and that prevents the school
> from getting funding,<br>><br>> then<br>> > > > > what is the logical
> step? To reduce the level of<br>> difficulty of<br>what<br>> is<br>> > >
> > > being taught to the lowest<br>> common denominator, i.e. dumbing
> down.<br>In<br>> > > > > it's purest<br>> form, NCLB would be a godsend
> to the children of<br>> > > > ><br>> America...teaching them to reach
> for the highest standards.<br>> In<br>it's<br>> > > > > current
> bastardized version, it's a nightmare!<br>> Political action,<br>> > > >
> > though...the strength of character to<br>> stand up for what
> you<br>believe<br>> > > > > in...is the<br>><br>> o<br>> nly thing that
> will change this unfortunate course of<br>> > > > ><br>> action our
> elected officials have embarked upon. Write or<br>> call<br>your<br>> >
> > > > local federal and state legislators and demand<br>> that they
> fully<br>fund<br>> > the<br>> > > > > NCLB act. Okay...off the<br>>
> soapbox now...sorry, folks!<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > >
> ><br>><br>> > > > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > "The
> most beautiful<br>> thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> > >
> > > --Albert<br>> Einstein<br>> >
>
> > > ><br>> > > > > --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman <<br>>
> dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> > > > > From: David Franzman
> [mailto:<br>> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> > > > > To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > > ><br>> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32
> -0700<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> [CHAT] New
> oleander/schools<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > No, no, no Pam!<br>> It's
> "Can I supersize that for you!" Man, could I<br>> tell<br>> > > > ><br>>
> you<br>stories about my kids school. They watch more movies<br>>
> than<br>the<br>> > > > > attendants at<br>the Sundance Movie
> Festival.<br>> What's worse is that<br>> not<br>> > > > > only are most
> of<br>> the<br>movies out of context with the class but<br>> many<br>> >
> of<br>><br>> > > > > them are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we talking
> about<br>> an<br>elementary<br>> > > > > school? Nope! High school.
> The<br>coup d'<br>> grace was when my<br>daughter<br>> > > > > came home
> from school and she<br>> told me<br>that they watched, in<br>>
> Spanish<br>> > > > > class, a<br>> Flintstones cartoon
> movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did<br>have<br>> > > ><br>> > Spanish
> subtitles. The schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and I<br>><br>>
> find<br>> > > > > it repugnant.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of<br>>
> the<br>> > > > > Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>-----<br>>
> Original<br>> Message -----<br>> > > > > <br>From:<br>>
> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:<br>> > > > ><br>>
> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:35<br>> ><br>>
> PM<br>Subject:<br>> > > > > Re: Re: [CHAT] New<br>>
> oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Agreed. I've seen<br>> > what<br>> > > >
> ><br>> the local public schools produc<br>><br>> e here - you
> want<br>fries w/ that?<br>> > > > > Appalling.<br>><br>><br>> Pam
> Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>> zone<br>8A<br>> -----<br>> > > > >
> Original<br>> Message -----<br>> From: james singer<br>>
> Sent:<br>5/17/2004<br>> > > ><br>> > 4:24:57 PM<br>> To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re:<br>> [CHAT]<br>New<br>> > > > >
> oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And I<br>> thi
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