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Re: Re: /schools/chef


Judy, I still love my cabon steel knives I first got them in 1978.
Unfortunately, now they don't look so good as compared to the stainless
steel knives that all the up and coming chefs use.  My wife did a neat
thing.  She made it a practice to buy a new knife for me for Christmas every
year.  I enjoyed that.

David Franzman
A Touch of the Tropics
www.atouchofthetropics.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judy L Browning" <judybrowning@lewiston.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef


> Just some stuff for her apartment. I thought it would be nice if she had
at
> least one good pot. I agree she needs good knives. She got most of the
> carbon steel ones my mom had picked up over the years and knows how to
keep
> them sharp. Once she's into this a little more, I bet she starts getting a
> little opinionated about what's good. Several birthdays & Christmases will
> help her stock up.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
>
>
> > Hi Judy
> >
> > Does she have to take her own skillet???  Her decision is partly based
on
> > what type of cooking she will be doing.  Will she cook very fast with
high
> > heat or slower with lower heat.  Many of the new pans these days are
good
> > but can't take real high heat and restaurants that sauti use very high
> heat.
> > If that is the case then aluminum is probably the best material.  If
more
> > casual cooking then Calphalon or AlClad (sp) are two good and expensive
> > answers.  If you choose Calphalon then get the professional series not
the
> > top of the line which is crud if you ask me.  I'm sure that there are
> others
> > on the list who will add to this and probably know more.  I never made
> pans
> > a area of study for myself.
> >
> > By the way Judy, if I were her I would make purchasing a very good set
of
> > knives more of a priority than the pans.  If she is good at what she
does
> > then any pan will see her through but really good knives are
> indispensable.
> >
> > David Franzman
> > A Touch of the Tropics
> > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Judy L Browning" <judybrowning@lewiston.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef
> >
> >
> > > David,
> > > hope you will reply to this.  I'm trying to decide on an excallent
> skillet
> > > or saucepan for my niece who aspires to be a chef. Any recomendation?
> She
> > > plans to go to school in Seattle next fall.
> > > Following the discussion on schools with great interest. My take is
that
> > > many here feel they have no responsibility once their own children are
> out
> > > of school. Don't get me started on bond issues! or property tax based
> > > funding for schools.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools
> > >
> > >
> > > > I thought I remembered something about being a chef...which brings
me
> to
> > > > my real question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be
a
> > > > chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage her
in
> > > > this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a chef? What schooling
> is
> > > > involved? TIA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> > > >
> > > > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> > > > --Albert Einstein
> > > >
> > > >  --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
> > > > From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
> > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools
> > > >
> > > > Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question but, certified
> > > > chef,<br>manufacturers rep, degree in American History minored in
> > > > political science.<br>Can you tell???<br><br>David Franzman<br>A
Touch
> > > > of the Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original
Message
> > > > ----- <br>From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
> > > > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:36
> > > > PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> DF: Just out of
> > > > curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
hibs.<br>consumed
> > > > you?<br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most beautiful
> > > > thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> --Albert
> > > > Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman <
> > > > dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> From: David Franzman [mailto:
> > > > dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Wed,
19
> > > > May 2004 22:16:47 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools<br>><br>>
> > > > It's funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road
> > > > except<br>> with<br>two things education and health care. On the
other
> > > > side though<br>> I'm a<br>personal responsibility type of guy. I
hate
> > > > the victimization<br>> thing that we<br>have going on in this
country.
> > > > Typically that's an<br>> excuse which I can't<br>stand. And if they
> pass
> > > > anymore laws trying to<br>> protect me from myself I may<br>just
> commit
> > > > hari kari...or is that<br>> against the law?<br><br>With education
you
> > > > simply can't have a democracy<br>> without a well
> educated<br>populace.
> > > > And of course diverse sources of<br>> news but that's a
> > > > different<br>topic. I assure you Kitty that if J. Paul<br>> Getty's
> kids
> > > > went to public<br>schools...they would find the<br>>
> money.<br><br>With
> > > > health care I've spent millions of dollars on<br>> research and I'm
> > > > fairly<br>certain that a germ doesn't stop at gated<br>>
communities.
> > > > So, we had better<br>find a way to pay for that also or not<br>>
only
> > > > will we have a bunch of people<br>who can't add past 2 + 2 but<br>>
> > > > they'll be disease carriers as well.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A
Touch
> > > > of<br>> the Tropics<br>
> > > >
> > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message<br>> -----
> > > > <br>From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:<br>>
> > > > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:54<br>>
> > > > AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>> I understand
> > > > your<br>> theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply sounded<br>>
> > > > 'heated'. Not so,<br>> just speaking up.<br>><br>> However, if your
> > > > theory were to be put into<br>> practice - which it can't be -<br>>
> > > > there'd be less money to go around.<br>> I have no idea how many
> > > > millions of<br>kids<br>> are in private schools,<br>> but if they
were
> > > > all sent to public schools, the<br>> system would<br>> collapse.
> Public
> > > > schools are using the funds from taxes that<br>> pay<br>> for
private
> > > > kids on the public kids and still can't make ends<br>>
meet.<br>><br>>
> > > > Also, one of the great privleges we as Americans enjoy<br>> is
choice.
> I
> > > > don't<br>> approve of home-schooling, but I do believe<br>> those
> > > > parents have the right<br>to<br>> choose that route. I also<br>>
> believe
> > > > that if you want special schooling for<<br>><br>> br>> your kids -
> like
> > > > the nutcases who enroll their kids in nursery<br>>
> school<br>while<br>>
> > > > they are still in the womb - you can make that<br>> choice. To say
NO
> to
> > > > these<br>> choices and to private school simply<br>> because you
think
> > > > it could improve<br>> public schools, goes against the<br>> grain of
> our
> > > > society. It's socialistic<br>or<br>> maybe even communistic<br>> -
> both
> > > > systems with good ideals and properties -<br>that<br>> will not<br>>
> > > > necessarily fix the public school problem. Public schools<br>>
> > > > must<br>fix<br>> themselves, thus making themselves attractive,
> by<br>>
> > > > choice, to consumers.<br>><br>> Also - the best and the brightest
> > > > are<br>> not necessarily in private schools.<br>W<br>> went to
> > > > private<br>> schools.<br>><br>> Kitty<br>><br>> ----- Original
Message
> > > > ----- <br>><br>> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>>
> > > > To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
1:14
> > > > AM<br>><br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>><br>><br>> > "T
> > > >
> > > > oo
> > > > broad a<br>> statement, David."<br>> ><br>> > Kitty, I don't want to
> get
> > > > into a<br>> heated debate over what is simply my<br>> > belief
however
> I
> > > > don't<br>> understand why your personal experience with<br>> >
> parochial
> > > > schools<br>> makes my statement too broad. My point was that if
> we<br>>
> > > > > were all<br>> sent to the same institutions of learning instead of
> > > > separate<br>> ><br>> whether for personal reasons or wealth the
entire
> > > > society would<br>> have<br>more<br>> > concern for the welfare of
> public
> > > > education which as<br>> you must admit<br>turns<br>> > out far more
> > > > children than private.<br>> Therefore our schools would
> > > > be<br>better<br>> > because there would be<br>> far more involvement
> by
> > > > those who wield more<br>power<br>> > within our<br>> society.<br>>
> > > > ><br>> > Nobody would argue that private institutions are<br>> bad
> > > > places for<br>learning.<br>> > Far from it. In fact, what they do
> > > > is<br>> funnel the best and the brightest<br>> out<br>> > of the
> public
> > > > school<br>> system and even worse take the most powerful people<br>>
> > > > in<br>> > the<br>> country and make public education not their
> > > > problem.<br>> ><br>> ><br>><br>> > David Franzman<br>> > A Touch of
> the
> > > > Tropics<br>> > w<br>><br>> ww<br>> .atouchofthetropics.net<br>>
> > -----
> > > > Original Message ----- <br>> ><br>> From: "Kitty"
> > > > <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>><br>> >
Sent:
> > > > Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]<br>>
> > > > /schools<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult
> life:<br>>
> > > > Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country.<br>> >
> > > > ><br>> Too broad a statement, David.<br>> > > Speaking from my
> > > > experience of 12<br>> years of parochial school, which is<br>> > >
> > > > private school, but not<br>> quite the private school that Bill
Gate's
> > > > kids<br>> > would<br>> > ><br>> attend.......<br>> > > I was able to
> > > > receive a good education with, I<br>> believe, less of the<br>> > >
> > > > interuptions you mentioned in another<br>> post. Baby-sitting
> > > > didn't<br>happen<br>> in<br>> > > my classes. Can't<br>> behave ? Ou
> > > >
> > > > t you go. My parents paid tuition for<br>3<br>> of<br>> > ><br>> us
> and
> > > > we weren't well off by any standards. All the parents that<br>>
> pay<br>>
> > > > > > tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from the<br>>
govt,
> > > > and yet<br>> they<br>> > > do not make use of funds that the
govt<br>>
> > > > has assigned for public<br>schools.<br>> > For<br>> > > 12 yrs x 3,
> > > > my<br>> folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND they<br>>
> > > > paid<br>> ><br>> > tuition. This allows the public schools extra
> funds.
> > > > It's not our<br>><br>> fault<br>> > > they didn't use it wisely. If
I
> > > > had had kids, they too<br>> would have<br>> > attended<br>> > >
> > > > parochial school.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> Kitty<br>> > ><br>> >
> -----
> > > > Original Message ----- <br>> > > From:<br>> "David Franzman"
> > > > <dfranzma@pacbell.net><br>> > > To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>>
>
> >
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM<br>><br>> > > Subject: Re: Re:
> > > > [CHAT] /schools<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > Melody<br>> (I'm sorry
> > > > folks I realize this is a garden group and not a<br>> ><br>>
> > > > soapbox<br>> > > > for political agendas) I think the problem is in
> > > > the<br>> reality. The<br>> > reality<br>> > > > is that there are
far
> > > > too many<br>> students in California who don't care<br>> and<br>> >
>
> >
> > > > whose parents<br>> don't care whether they get an education or not.
> > > > Fact<br>> is<br>> > ><br>> that<br>> ><br>><br>> > > there is only
so
> > > > much money and resources and the way we<br>> casually<br>>
spend<br>>
> >
> > > > > > money in this country insures a bleak<br>> future for
> > > > education.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I've said this all my adult<br>>
> life:
> > > > Private schools are the bane of<br>> this<br>> > > > country.
> They<br>>
> > > > guarantee unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and<br>> Warren<br>> >
>
> > > > ><br>> Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having
> > > > this<br>> ><br>> discussion<br>> > > > right now. But as long as we
> > > > don't we lose untold<br>> thousands of<br>bright<br>> > > kids<br>>
>
> >
> > > > > who don't have the<br>> resources to a good education and hence
> > > > fall<br>> through<br>> > ><br>> the<br>> > > > cracks.
> > > >
> > > > <b
> > > > r>> > > ><br>> > > > David Franzman<br>> > > > A<br>> Touch of the
> > > > Tropics<br>> > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>> > > ><br>> -----
> > > > Original Message ----- <br>> > > > From: "Melody"<br>>
> > > > <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> > >
> > > > ><br>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM<br>> > > > Subject: Re:
Re:
> > > > [CHAT]<br>> New oleander/schools<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > >
> DF:
> > > > This is the<br>> result of a poorly thought out and woefully<br>> >
> > > > underfunded<br>> > ><br>> > > "No Child Left Behind Act", brought to
> you
> > > > courtesy of our<br>> current<br>> > > > > government officials. In
> order
> > > > to continue<br>> qualifying for federal<br>> > > > > financial aid
for
> > > > school districts,<br>> each school must meet grade<br>> level<br>> >
>
> >
> > > > > requirements, you<br>> know. Well, if a certain percentage of
> the<br>>
> > > > children<br>> > > > ><br>> can't make it and that prevents the
school
> > > > from getting funding,<br>><br>> then<br>> > > > > what is the
logical
> > > > step? To reduce the level of<br>> difficulty of<br>what<br>> is<br>>
>
> >
> > > > > > being taught to the lowest<br>> common denominator, i.e. dumbing
> > > > down.<br>In<br>> > > > > it's purest<br>> form, NCLB would be a
> godsend
> > > > to the children of<br>> > > > ><br>> America...teaching them to
reach
> > > > for the highest standards.<br>> In<br>it's<br>> > > > > current
> > > > bastardized version, it's a nightmare!<br>> Political action,<br>> >
>
> >
> > > > > though...the strength of character to<br>> stand up for what
> > > > you<br>believe<br>> > > > > in...is the<br>><br>> o<br>> nly thing
> that
> > > > will change this unfortunate course of<br>> > > > ><br>> action our
> > > > elected officials have embarked upon. Write or<br>>
call<br>your<br>>
> >
> > > > > > > local federal and state legislators and demand<br>> that they
> > > > fully<br>fund<br>> > the<br>> > > > > NCLB act. Okay...off the<br>>
> > > > soapbox now...sorry, folks!<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > >
> > > > ><br>><br>> > > > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > >
"The
> > > > most beautiful<br>> thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>>
>
> >
> > > > > > --Albert<br>> Einstein<br>> >
> > > >
> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman <<br>>
> > > > dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:<br>> > > > > From: David Franzman
> > > > [mailto:<br>> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>> > > > > To:
> > > > gardenchat@hort.net<br>> > > > ><br>> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004
20:41:32
> > > > -0700<br>> > > > > Subject: Re: Re:<br>> [CHAT] New
> > > > oleander/schools<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > No, no, no Pam!<br>> It's
> > > > "Can I supersize that for you!" Man, could I<br>> tell<br>> > > >
> ><br>>
> > > > you<br>stories about my kids school. They watch more movies<br>>
> > > > than<br>the<br>> > > > > attendants at<br>the Sundance Movie
> > > > Festival.<br>> What's worse is that<br>> not<br>> > > > > only are
> most
> > > > of<br>> the<br>movies out of context with the class but<br>>
many<br>>
> >
> > > > of<br>><br>> > > > > them are...ugh...cartoons.<br>Now are we
talking
> > > > about<br>> an<br>elementary<br>> > > > > school? Nope! High school.
> > > > The<br>coup d'<br>> grace was when my<br>daughter<br>> > > > > came
> home
> > > > from school and she<br>> told me<br>that they watched, in<br>>
> > > > Spanish<br>> > > > > class, a<br>> Flintstones cartoon
> > > > movie...IN<br>ENGLISH! Oh, it did<br>have<br>> > > ><br>> > Spanish
> > > > subtitles. The schools are dumbing down<br>our kids and I<br>><br>>
> > > > find<br>> > > > > it repugnant.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch
> of<br>>
> > > > the<br>> > > > > Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>-----<br>>
> > > > Original<br>> Message -----<br>> > > > > <br>From:<br>>
> > > > <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com><br>To:<br>> > > > ><br>>
> > > > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:35<br>> ><br>>
> > > > PM<br>Subject:<br>> > > > > Re: Re: [CHAT] New<br>>
> > > > oleander/schools<br><br><br>> Agreed. I've seen<br>> > what<br>> > >
>
> > > > ><br>> the local public schools produc<br>><br>> e here - you
> > > > want<br>fries w/ that?<br>> > > > > Appalling.<br>><br>><br>> Pam
> > > > Evans<br>> Kemp, TX<br>> zone<br>8A<br>> -----<br>> > > > >
> > > > Original<br>> Message -----<br>> From: james singer<br>>
> > > > Sent:<br>5/17/2004<br>> > > ><br>> > 4:24:57 PM<br>> To:
> > > > gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Subject: Re:<br>> [CHAT]<br>New<br>> > > >
>
> > > > oleander<br>><br>> > Yes, they are. And I<br>> thi
> > > >
> > > > nk
> > > > et
> > > >  /funds/<br><br>
> > > >
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