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Re: Re: /schools/chef

Judy: FWIW, my favorite cookware is RevereWare...got a basic set for a
wedding gift 16 years ago and still have the same set today, plus pieces
I've added over the years. Stands up to any abuse you can dish out to it
during the course of cooking at home. It has become our standard wedding
gift to young couples. Not fancy stuff, but does a great job for a
moderate amount of money.

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Thu 05/20, Judy L Browning < judybrowning@lewiston.com > wrote:
From: Judy L Browning [mailto: judybrowning@lewiston.com]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:05:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef

Just some stuff for her apartment. I thought it would be nice if she had
at<br>least one good pot. I agree she needs good knives. She got most of
the<br>carbon steel ones my mom had picked up over the years and knows
how to keep<br>them sharp. Once she's into this a little more, I bet she
starts getting a<br>little opinionated about what's good. Several
birthdays &amp; Christmases will<br>help her stock up.<br>----- Original
Message -----<br>From: &quot;David Franzman&quot;
&lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;<br>To: &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>Sent:
Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:24 AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools/chef<br><br><br>&gt; Hi Judy<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Does she have to
take her own skillet??? Her decision is partly based on<br>&gt; what
type of cooking she will be doing. Will she cook very fast with
high<br>&gt; heat or slower with lower heat. Many of the new pans these
days are good<br>&gt; but can't take real high heat and restaurants that
sauti use very high<br>heat.<br>&gt; If that is the case then aluminum
is probably the best material. If more<br>&gt; casual cooking then
Calphalon or AlClad (sp) are two good and expensive<br>&gt; answers. If
you choose Calphalon then get the professional series not the<br>&gt;
top of the line which is crud if you ask me. I'm sure that there
are<br>others<br>&gt; on the list who will add to this and probably know
more. I never made<br>pans<br>&gt; a area of study for
myself.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; By the way Judy, if I were her I would make
purchasing a very good set of<br>&gt; knives more of a priority than the
pans. If she is good at what she does<br>&gt; then any pan will see her
through but really good knives are<br>indispensable.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
David Franzman<br>&gt; A Touch of the Tropics<br>&gt;
www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt;
From: &quot;Judy L Browning&quot;
&lt;judybrowning@lewiston.com&gt;<br>&gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:48
AM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools/chef

<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; David,<br>&gt; &gt; hope you will reply to
this. I'm trying to decide on an excallent<br>skillet<br>&gt; &gt; or
saucepan for my niece who aspires to be a chef. Any
recomendation?<br>She<br>&gt; &gt; plans to go to school in Seattle next
fall.<br>&gt; &gt; Following the discussion on schools with great
interest. My take is that<br>&gt; &gt; many here feel they have no
responsibility once their own children are<br>out<br>&gt; &gt; of
school. Don't get me started on bond issues! or property tax
based<br>&gt; &gt; funding for schools.<br>&gt; &gt; ----- Original
Message -----<br>&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;
&lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
11:31 PM<br>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>&gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; I thought I remembered something
about being a chef...which brings me<br>to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; my real
question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be a<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage
her in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a
chef? What schooling<br>is<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; involved? TIA.<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;The most beautiful thing
we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --Albert
Einstein<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Thu 05/20, David
Franzman &lt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; From:
David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 22:46:43
-0700<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question
but, certified<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; chef,&lt;br&gt;manufacturers rep,
degree in American History minored in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; political
science.&lt;br&gt;Can yo

tell???&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; of the Tropics&lt;br&gt;www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;-----
Original Message<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;From:
&quot;Melody&quot; &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
10:36<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; PM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; DF: Just out of<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
hibs.&lt;br&gt;consumed<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
you?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;The most beautiful<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; thing we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
--Albert<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; --- On
Thu 05/20, David Franzman &lt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net
&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 19<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; May
2004 22:16:47 -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re:
[CHAT]<br>/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; It's
funny Kitty, because like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; except&lt;br&gt;&gt; with&lt;br&gt;two things education and health
care. On the other<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; side though&lt;br&gt;&gt; I'm
a&lt;br&gt;personal responsibility type of guy. I hate<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
the victimization&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing that we&lt;br&gt;have going on in
this country.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Typically that's an&lt;br&gt;&gt; excuse
which I can't&lt;br&gt;stand. And if they<br>pass<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
anymore laws trying to&lt;br&gt;&gt; protect me from myself I
may&lt;br&gt;just<br>commit<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; hari kari...or is
that&lt;br&gt;&gt; against the law?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With education
you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; simply can't have a democracy&lt;br&gt;&gt;
without a well<br>educated&lt;br&gt;populace.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;

And of course diverse sources of&lt;br&gt;&gt; news but that's a<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; different&lt;br&gt;topic. I assure you Kitty that if J.
Paul&lt;br&gt;&gt; Getty's<br>kids<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; went to
public&lt;br&gt;schools...they would find
the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
health care I've spent millions of dollars on&lt;br&gt;&gt; research and
I'm<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; fairly&lt;br&gt;certain that a germ doesn't stop
at gated&lt;br&gt;&gt; communities.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; So, we had
better&lt;br&gt;find a way to pay for that also or not&lt;br&gt;&gt;
only<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; will we have a bunch of people&lt;br&gt;who can't
add past 2 + 2 but&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; they'll be disease
carriers as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A
Touch<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the Tropics&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;-----
Original Message&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;br&gt;From:
&lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
7:54&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; AM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I understand<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; your&lt;br&gt;&gt; theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply
sounded&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; 'heated'. Not so,&lt;br&gt;&gt;
just speaking up.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; However, if your<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; theory were to be put into&lt;br&gt;&gt; practice - which it
can't be -&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; there'd be less money to go
around.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have no idea how many<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; millions
of&lt;br&gt;kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; are in private schools,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but
if they were<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; all sent to public schools,
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; system would&lt;br&gt;&gt; collapse.<br>Public<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; schools are using the funds from taxes that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
pay&lt;br&gt;&gt; for private<br>&gt; &gt; &

; kids on the public kids and still can't make ends&lt;br&gt;&gt;
meet.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Also, one of the
great privleges we as Americans enjoy&lt;br&gt;&gt; is
choice.<br>I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; approve of
home-schooling, but I do believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; those<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
parents have the right&lt;br&gt;to&lt;br&gt;&gt; choose that route. I
also&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>believe<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; that if you want special
schooling for&lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; br&gt;&gt; your kids
-<br>like<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; the nutcases who enroll their kids in
&gt; &gt; they are still in the womb - you can make that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
choice. To say NO<br>to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; these&lt;br&gt;&gt; choices
and to private school simply&lt;br&gt;&gt; because you think<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; it could improve&lt;br&gt;&gt; public schools, goes against
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; grain of<br>our<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; society. It's
socialistic&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&gt; maybe even
communistic&lt;br&gt;&gt; -<br>both<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; systems with good
ideals and properties -&lt;br&gt;that&lt;br&gt;&gt; will
not&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; necessarily fix the public school
problem. Public schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
must&lt;br&gt;fix&lt;br&gt;&gt; themselves, thus making themselves
attractive,<br>by&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; choice, to
consumers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Also - the best and the
brightest<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; are&lt;br&gt;&gt; not necessarily in private
schools.&lt;br&gt;W&lt;br&gt;&gt; went to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
private&lt;br&gt;&gt; schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: &quot;David Franzman&quot;
&lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent:
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:14<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;

t; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;T<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; oo<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; broad a&lt;br&gt;&gt;
statement, David.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Kitty, I
don't want to<br>get<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; into a&lt;br&gt;&gt; heated
debate over what is simply my&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; belief
however<br>I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; understand why your
personal experience with&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>parochial<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; makes my statement too broad. My point was
that if<br>we&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; were
all&lt;br&gt;&gt; sent to the same institutions of learning instead
of<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; separate&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; whether
for personal reasons or wealth the entire<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; society
would&lt;br&gt;&gt; have&lt;br&gt;more&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; concern for
the welfare of<br>public<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; education which
as&lt;br&gt;&gt; you must admit&lt;br&gt;turns&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; out
far more<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; children than private.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Therefore our schools would<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
be&lt;br&gt;better&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; because there would
be&lt;br&gt;&gt; far more involvement<br>by<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; those who
wield more&lt;br&gt;power&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; within our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
society.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Nobody
would argue that private institutions are&lt;br&gt;&gt; bad<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; places for&lt;br&gt;learning.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Far from it. In
fact, what they do<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; funnel the best
and the brightest&lt;br&gt;&gt; out&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; of
the<br>public<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; school&lt;br&gt;&gt; system and even
worse take the most powerful people&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; country and make public
education not their<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; problem.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; David
Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; A To

h of<br>the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
w&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ww&lt;br&gt;&gt;
.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
&quot;Kitty&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Sent:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; I've said this all my adult<br>life:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; Private schools are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; country.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Too broad a statement, David.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
Speaking from my<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; experience of 12&lt;br&gt;&gt; years
of parochial school, which is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
private school, but not&lt;br&gt;&gt; quite the private school that Bill
Gate's<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; would&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; attend.......&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I was able
to<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; receive a good education with, I&lt;br&gt;&gt;
believe, less of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
interuptions you mentioned in another&lt;br&gt;&gt; post.
Baby-sitting<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; didn't&lt;br&gt;happen&lt;br&gt;&gt;
in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; my classes. Can't&lt;br&gt;&gt; behave ?
Ou<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; t you go. My parents paid tuition
for&lt;br&gt;3&lt;br&gt;&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
us<br>and<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; we weren't well off by any standards. All
the parents that&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>pay&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; govt,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; and yet&lt;br&gt;&gt;
they&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; do not make use of funds that the
govt&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &g

t; has assigned for public&lt;br&gt;schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
For&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; 12 yrs x 3,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
my&lt;br&gt;&gt; folks paid taxes which went to public schools AND
they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; paid&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; tuition. This allows the public schools
extra<br>funds.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; It's not
our&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; fault&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; they
didn't use it wisely. If I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; had had kids, they
too&lt;br&gt;&gt; would have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; attended&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; parochial school.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original Message
----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;David
Franzman&quot;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; [CHAT] /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Melody&lt;br&gt;&gt; (I'm sorry<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; folks I realize this
is a garden group and not a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; soapbox&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for political agendas) I
think the problem is in<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; reality.
The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; reality&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is that
there are far<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; too many&lt;br&gt;&gt; students in
California who don't care&lt;br&gt;&gt; and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; whose parents&lt;br&gt;&gt; don't care
whether they get an education or not.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
Fact&lt;br&gt;&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; there is
only so<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; much money and resources and the way
we&lt;br&gt;&gt; casually&lt;br&gt;&gt; spend&lt;

&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; money in this country
insures a bleak&lt;br&gt;&gt; future for<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
education.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
I've said this all my adult&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>life:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
Private schools are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; country.<br>They&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; guarantee
unequal education. Send Bill Gate's and&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Warren&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be having<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; discussion&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; right now. But as long as we<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; don't we lose
untold&lt;br&gt;&gt; thousands of&lt;br&gt;bright&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; who don't
have the&lt;br&gt;&gt; resources to a good education and hence<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; fall&lt;br&gt;&gt; through&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; cracks.<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;b<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; r&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; A&lt;br&gt;&gt; Touch of the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
-----<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;
New oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>DF:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
This is the&lt;br&gt;&gt; result of a poorly thought out and
woefully&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; underfunded&lt;br&

gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;No Child Left Behind
Act&quot;, brought to<br>you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; courtesy of
our&lt;br&gt;&gt; current&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; government
officials. In<br>order<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; to continue&lt;br&gt;&gt;
qualifying for federal&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; financial aid
for<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; school districts,&lt;br&gt;&gt; each school must
meet grade&lt;br&gt;&gt; level&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; requirements, you&lt;br&gt;&gt; know. Well, if a certain
percentage of<br>the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
children&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; can't make it
and that prevents the school<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; from getting
funding,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; then&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; what is the logical<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; step? To reduce the level
of&lt;br&gt;&gt; difficulty of&lt;br&gt;what&lt;br&gt;&gt;
is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; being taught
to the lowest&lt;br&gt;&gt; common denominator, i.e. dumbing<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; down.&lt;br&gt;In&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
purest&lt;br&gt;&gt; form, NCLB would be a<br>godsend<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
to the children of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
America...teaching them to reach<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; for the highest
standards.&lt;br&gt;&gt; In&lt;br&gt;it's&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; current<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; bastardized version, it's a
nightmare!&lt;br&gt;&gt; Political action,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; though...the strength of character
to&lt;br&gt;&gt; stand up for what<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
you&lt;br&gt;believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; in...is
the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; o&lt;br&gt;&gt; nly
thing<br>that<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; will change this unfortunate course
of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; action our<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; elected officials have embarked upon. Write or&lt;br&gt;&gt;
call&lt;br&gt;your&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &

; &gt; &gt; local federal and state legislators and demand&lt;br&gt;&gt;
that they<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; fully&lt;br&gt;fund&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; NCLB act. Okay...off
the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; soapbox now...sorry,
folks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&quot;The<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; most beautiful&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing we can
experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --Albert&lt;br&gt;&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Mon 05/17, David Franzman
&lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: David Franzman<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; [mailto:&lt;br&gt;&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [CHAT] New<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; No, no, no Pam!&lt;br&gt;&gt;
It's<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;Can I supersize that for you!&quot; Man,
could I&lt;br&gt;&gt; tell&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; you&lt;br&gt;stories about
my kids school. They watch more movies&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
than&lt;br&gt;the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; attendants
at&lt;br&gt;the Sundance Movie<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Festival.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
What's worse is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; not&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
only are<br>most<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;movies
out of context with the class but&lt;br&gt;&gt;

r>&gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them
are...ugh...cartoons.&lt;br&gt;Now are we talking<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
about&lt;br&gt;&gt; an&lt;br&gt;elementary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; school? Nope! High school.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; The&lt;br&gt;coup
d'&lt;br&gt;&gt; grace was when my&lt;br&gt;daughter&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; came<br>home<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; from school and
she&lt;br&gt;&gt; told me&lt;br&gt;that they watched,
in&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Spanish&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; class, a&lt;br&gt;&gt; Flintstones cartoon<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
movie...IN&lt;br&gt;ENGLISH! Oh, it did&lt;br&gt;have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Spanish<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; subtitles. The
schools are dumbing down&lt;br&gt;our kids and
I&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; find&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; it repugnant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>of&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &lt;br&gt;From:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;gardenqueen@academicplanet.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004
7:35&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
PM&lt;br&gt;Subject:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Re: Re: [CHAT]
New&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Agreed. I've
seen&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; what&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the local public schools
produc&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; e here - you<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
want&lt;br&gt;fries w/ that?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
Appalling.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Pam<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; Evans&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kemp, TX&lt;br&gt;&gt;
zone&lt;br&gt;8A&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----&

;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: james singer&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
&gt; &gt; Sent:&lt;br&gt;5/17/2004&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; 4:24:57 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
[CHAT]&lt;br&gt;New&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
oleander&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, they are. And
I&lt;br&gt;&gt; thi<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; nk<br>&gt; &gt;
&gt; et<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; /funds/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
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