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Re: Re: chefs

Pardon this and I don't mean any offense but that is why Hispanics now do
the cooking in America's restaurant.  This isn't my theory by the way it's
somebody else's who is an expert on such things.  They are malleable workers
who don't know anything about the culinary arts but can follow what they are
shown and do it the same way each time.

David Franzman
A Touch of the Tropics
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chefs

> DF: My greatest fear for Meghan is I'm not sure she has the temperament
> to work like that...being an oldest child, she is pretty much used to
> being top dog and isn't much of a follower. Thanks for the info. Will
> let you know if we have further questions.
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> --Albert Einstein
>  --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman < dfranzma@pacbell.net > wrote:
> From: David Franzman [mailto: dfranzma@pacbell.net]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:14:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chefs
> Melody, the restaurant business is another one of those of the haves
> and<br>have nots. If you have noticed the cost of going to lunch has
> changed very<br>little in 20 years or so and wages have remained pretty
> stagnant as well.<br>The quickest way to the top of the food chain is
> through one of the elite<br>(and very expensive) schools such as the
> Cordon Bleu in NY or the California<br>Culinary Academy in SF. I'm sure
> you have some in the Midwest but these are<br>the cream of the crop. The
> students do the assigned work for the prescribed<br>amount of time, a
> year and a half I believe, and then do years apprenticing<br>behind top
> chefs in the field. Hopefully if the pupil is creative and is<br>willing
> to work 10-12 hours a day six days a week they will make a name
> for<br>themselves and then break loose and be offered a restaurant that
> they will<br>then be top dog.<br><br>The MOST important quality that
> chefs are looking for is someone WHO DOES<br>WHAT THEY ARE TOLD WITHOUT
> QUESTION. No going off on their own tangent<br>because they thought it
> was an improvement, no thinking for themselves, none<br>of that. Do the
> same thing over and over and over exactly the same way.<br>Afterall as a
> customer when you go to a restaurant and order something you<br>don't
> want it to look or taste different each time you go in.<br><br>The other
> way to being a chef (though this will not get the top jobs in
> the<br>country but should provide a descent living and is the avenue
> that I took)<br>is to work under good chefs and getting enough
> experience to be offered a<br>position as chef. The key here is to work
> under enough different people to<br>have a wide range of experience in
> many different arenas of the culinary<br>field. Don't be fooled by
> working under one or two different people that<br>you have well balanced
> knowledge. There are so many shortcuts these days<br>that a person you
> think has his act together is really just a shoemaker<br>(euphemism for
> a hacker or bad cook). Knowing that I didn't want to do this<br>for a li
> ving I didn't peruse this as much as I could but I worked
> under<br>French, Italian, Danish, Chinese and Japanese chefs. As I said
> it takes<br>years and many of those years you're making 8 bucks an hour.
> Don't be so<br>loyal to one individual that you are unwilling to move on
> to better<br>yourself. That is really the key to this avenue.<br><br>I
> guess that is enough. Melody if you or your daughter has other
> question<br>email me off the list and I'll be happy to try and help. One
> other very<br>important note: I've seen many people who were great cooks
> at home and<br>thought they wanted to get into that business. Then they
> find out the<br>reality. It ain't the same thing and not even close. I
> used to hate having<br>some graduates of the academies come in and try
> and hang. For them it was<br>absolute culture shock. One guy literally
> went yelling off the line one<br>Friday night never to be seen
> again.<br><br>David Franzman<br>A Touch of the
> Tropics<br>www.atouchofthetropics.net<br>----- Original Message -----
> <br>From: &quot;Melody&quot; &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:31
> PM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] /schools<br><br><br>&gt; I thought I
> remembered something about being a chef...which brings me to<br>&gt; my
> real question. My oldest daughter, Meghan, thinks she wants to be
> a<br>&gt; chef. She cooks like a dream already and I'd like to encourage
> her in<br>&gt; this. How exactly, does one go about becoming a chef?
> What schooling is<br>&gt; involved? TIA.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &quot;The most beautiful thing we can
> experience is the mysterious.&quot;<br>&gt; --Albert
> Einstein<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- On Thu 05/20, David Franzman &lt;
> dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:
> dfranzma@pacbell.net]<br>&gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; Date: Wed,
> 19 May 2004 22:46:43 -0700<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Boy Melody, you should ask Kitty this question
>  b
> ut, certified<br>&gt; chef,&lt;br&gt;manufacturers rep, degree in
> American History minored in<br>&gt; political science.&lt;br&gt;Can you
> tell???&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; of
> the Tropics&lt;br&gt;www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;----- Original
> Message<br>&gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Melody&quot;
> &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:<br>&gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 10:36<br>&gt; PM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; DF: Just out of<br>&gt;
> curiosity...what did you do for a living before the
> hibs.&lt;br&gt;consumed<br>&gt;
> you?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;The most beautiful<br>&gt; thing
> we can experience is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> --Albert<br>&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; --- On Thu 05/20,
> David Franzman &lt;<br>&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
> wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; From: David Franzman [mailto:<br>&gt;
> dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:
> gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 19<br>&gt; May 2004
> 22:16:47 -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; It's funny Kitty, because
> like Eve I'm pretty middle of the road<br>&gt; except&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> with&lt;br&gt;two things education and health care. On the other<br>&gt;
> side though&lt;br&gt;&gt; I'm a&lt;br&gt;personal responsibility type of
> guy. I hate<br>&gt; the victimization&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing that
> we&lt;br&gt;have going on in this country.<br>&gt; Typically that's
> an&lt;br&gt;&gt; excuse which I can't&lt;br&gt;stand. And if they
> pass<br>&gt; anymore laws trying to&lt;br&gt;&gt; protect me from myself
> I may&lt;br&gt;just commit<br>&gt; hari kari...or is that&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> against the law?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With education you<br>&gt; simply
> can't have a democracy&lt;br&gt;&gt; without a well
> educated&lt;br&gt;populace.<br>&gt; And of course diverse sources
> of&lt;br&gt;&gt; news but that's a<br>&gt; d
> ifferent&lt;br&gt;topic. I assure you Kitty that if J.
> Paul&lt;br&gt;&gt; Getty's kids<br>&gt; went to
> public&lt;br&gt;schools...they would find the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With<br>&gt; health care I've spent millions
> of dollars on&lt;br&gt;&gt; research and I'm<br>&gt;
> fairly&lt;br&gt;certain that a germ doesn't stop at gated&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> communities.<br>&gt; So, we had better&lt;br&gt;find a way to pay for
> that also or not&lt;br&gt;&gt; only<br>&gt; will we have a bunch of
> people&lt;br&gt;who can't add past 2 + 2 but&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> they'll be disease carriers as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
> Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch<br>&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the
> Tropics&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
> www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;----- Original Message&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> -----<br>&gt; &lt;br&gt;From: &quot;Kitty&quot;
> &lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 7:54&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; AM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I understand<br>&gt;
> your&lt;br&gt;&gt; theory, David. And, I'm sorry if my reply
> sounded&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; 'heated'. Not so,&lt;br&gt;&gt; just
> speaking up.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; However, if your<br>&gt; theory
> were to be put into&lt;br&gt;&gt; practice - which it can't be
> -&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; there'd be less money to go
> around.&lt;br&gt;&gt; I have no idea how many<br>&gt; millions
> of&lt;br&gt;kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; are in private schools,&lt;br&gt;&gt; but
> if they were<br>&gt; all sent to public schools, the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> system would&lt;br&gt;&gt; collapse. Public<br>&gt; schools are using
> the funds from taxes that&lt;br&gt;&gt; pay&lt;br&gt;&gt; for
> private<br>&gt; kids on the public kids and still can't make
> ends&lt;br&gt;&gt; meet.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Also, one
> of the great privleges we as Americans enjoy&lt;br&gt;&gt; is choice.
> I<br>&gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt; approve of home-schooling, but I do
> believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; those<br>&gt; p
> ar
> ents have the right&lt;br&gt;to&lt;br&gt;&gt; choose that route. I
> also&lt;br&gt;&gt; believe<br>&gt; that if you want special schooling
> for&lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; br&gt;&gt; your kids - like<br>&gt;
> the nutcases who enroll their kids in nursery&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> school&lt;br&gt;while&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; they are still in the womb -
> you can make that&lt;br&gt;&gt; choice. To say NO to<br>&gt;
> these&lt;br&gt;&gt; choices and to private school simply&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> because you think<br>&gt; it could improve&lt;br&gt;&gt; public schools,
> goes against the&lt;br&gt;&gt; grain of our<br>&gt; society. It's
> socialistic&lt;br&gt;or&lt;br&gt;&gt; maybe even
> communistic&lt;br&gt;&gt; - both<br>&gt; systems with good ideals and
> properties -&lt;br&gt;that&lt;br&gt;&gt; will not&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> necessarily fix the public school problem. Public
> schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; must&lt;br&gt;fix&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> themselves, thus making themselves attractive, by&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> choice, to consumers.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Also - the best and
> the brightest<br>&gt; are&lt;br&gt;&gt; not necessarily in private
> schools.&lt;br&gt;W&lt;br&gt;&gt; went to<br>&gt; private&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> ----- Original Message<br>&gt; ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
> &quot;David Franzman&quot;
> &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004
> 1:14<br>&gt; AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &quot;T<br>&gt;<br>&gt; oo<br>&gt; broad a&lt;br&gt;&gt; statement,
> David.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Kitty, I don't want
> to get<br>&gt; into a&lt;br&gt;&gt; heated debate over what is simply
> my&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; belief however I<br>&gt; don't&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> understand why your personal experience with&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> parochial<br>&gt; schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; makes my statement too broad. My
> p
> oint was that if we&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; were all&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> sent to the same institutions of learning instead of<br>&gt;
> separate&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; whether for personal reasons
> or wealth the entire<br>&gt; society would&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> have&lt;br&gt;more&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; concern for the welfare of
> public<br>&gt; education which as&lt;br&gt;&gt; you must
> admit&lt;br&gt;turns&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; out far more<br>&gt; children
> than private.&lt;br&gt;&gt; Therefore our schools would<br>&gt;
> be&lt;br&gt;better&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; because there would
> be&lt;br&gt;&gt; far more involvement by<br>&gt; those who wield
> more&lt;br&gt;power&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; within our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> society.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Nobody would
> argue that private institutions are&lt;br&gt;&gt; bad<br>&gt; places
> for&lt;br&gt;learning.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Far from it. In fact, what
> they do<br>&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; funnel the best and the
> brightest&lt;br&gt;&gt; out&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; of the public<br>&gt;
> school&lt;br&gt;&gt; system and even worse take the most powerful
> people&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> country and make public education not their<br>&gt;
> problem.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> A Touch of the<br>&gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> w&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ww&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> .atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; Original
> Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
> &quot;Kitty&quot;<br>&gt; &lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> To: &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> Sent:<br>&gt; Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:48 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Subject:
> Re: Re: [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I've said this all
> my adult life:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; Private schools are the bane
> of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> country.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &g
> t;
> &lt;br&gt;&gt; Too broad a statement, David.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Speaking from my<br>&gt; experience of 12&lt;br&gt;&gt; years of
> parochial school, which is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; private
> school, but not&lt;br&gt;&gt; quite the private school that Bill
> Gate's<br>&gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; would&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; attend.......&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I was able
> to<br>&gt; receive a good education with, I&lt;br&gt;&gt; believe, less
> of the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; interuptions you mentioned in
> another&lt;br&gt;&gt; post. Baby-sitting<br>&gt;
> didn't&lt;br&gt;happen&lt;br&gt;&gt; in&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; my
> classes. Can't&lt;br&gt;&gt; behave ? Ou<br>&gt;<br>&gt; t you go. My
> parents paid tuition for&lt;br&gt;3&lt;br&gt;&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; us and<br>&gt; we weren't well off by any standards.
> All the parents that&lt;br&gt;&gt; pay&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> tuition for parochial schools get no tax break from the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> govt,<br>&gt; and yet&lt;br&gt;&gt; they&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; do not
> make use of funds that the govt&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; has assigned for
> public&lt;br&gt;schools.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; For&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> 12 yrs x 3,<br>&gt; my&lt;br&gt;&gt; folks paid taxes which went to
> public schools AND they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; paid&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; tuition. This allows the public schools extra
> funds.<br>&gt; It's not our&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> fault&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; they didn't use it wisely. If I<br>&gt;
> had had kids, they too&lt;br&gt;&gt; would have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> attended&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; parochial school.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; -----<br>&gt; Original Message -----
> &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &quot;David
> Franzman&quot;<br>&gt; &lt;dfranzma@pacbell.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; Se
> nt: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:11 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; [CHAT] /schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> Melody&lt;br&gt;&gt; (I'm sorry<br>&gt; folks I realize this is a garden
> group and not a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> soapbox&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for political agendas) I think the
> problem is in<br>&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; reality. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> reality&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; is that there are far<br>&gt; too
> many&lt;br&gt;&gt; students in California who don't care&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; whose parents&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> don't care whether they get an education or not.<br>&gt;
> Fact&lt;br&gt;&gt; is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; there is
> only so<br>&gt; much money and resources and the way we&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> casually&lt;br&gt;&gt; spend&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; money
> in this country insures a bleak&lt;br&gt;&gt; future for<br>&gt;
> education.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> I've said this all my adult&lt;br&gt;&gt; life:<br>&gt; Private schools
> are the bane of&lt;br&gt;&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; country.
> They&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; guarantee unequal education. Send Bill Gate's
> and&lt;br&gt;&gt; Warren&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Buffet's kids to public schools and we wouldn't be
> having<br>&gt; this&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> discussion&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; right now. But as long as
> we<br>&gt; don't we lose untold&lt;br&gt;&gt; thousands
> of&lt;br&gt;bright&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; kids&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; who don't have the&lt;br&gt;&gt; resources to a good
> education and hence<br>&gt; fall&lt;br&gt;&gt; through&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> cracks.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &lt;b<br>&gt; r&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; David Franzman&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt
> ;
> &gt; &gt; A&lt;br&gt;&gt; Touch of the<br>&gt; Tropics&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; www.atouchofthetropics.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----<br>&gt; Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; From: &quot;Melody&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:03 AM&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:<br>&gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;&gt; New
> oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; DF:<br>&gt; This is
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt; result of a poorly thought out and
> woefully&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; underfunded&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;No Child Left Behind Act&quot;,
> brought to you<br>&gt; courtesy of our&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> current&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; government officials. In
> order<br>&gt; to continue&lt;br&gt;&gt; qualifying for
> federal&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; financial aid for<br>&gt;
> school districts,&lt;br&gt;&gt; each school must meet
> grade&lt;br&gt;&gt; level&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> requirements, you&lt;br&gt;&gt; know. Well, if a certain percentage of
> the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; children&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; can't make it and that prevents the school<br>&gt;
> from getting funding,&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; then&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; what is the logical<br>&gt; step? To reduce the
> level of&lt;br&gt;&gt; difficulty of&lt;br&gt;what&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> is&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; being taught to the
> lowest&lt;br&gt;&gt; common denominator, i.e. dumbing<br>&gt;
> down.&lt;br&gt;In&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's
> purest&lt;br&gt;&gt; form, NCLB would be a godsend<br>&gt; to the
> children of&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> America...teaching them to reach<br>&gt; for the highest
> standards.&lt;br&gt;&gt; In&lt;br&gt;it's&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &g
> t; &gt; current<br>&gt; bastardized version, it's a
> nightmare!&lt;br&gt;&gt; Political action,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; though...the strength of character to&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> stand up for what<br>&gt; you&lt;br&gt;believe&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; in...is the&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; o&lt;br&gt;&gt; nly
> thing that<br>&gt; will change this unfortunate course of&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; action our<br>&gt; elected officials
> have embarked upon. Write or&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> call&lt;br&gt;your&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; local
> federal and state legislators and demand&lt;br&gt;&gt; that they<br>&gt;
> fully&lt;br&gt;fund&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; NCLB act. Okay...off the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; soapbox now...sorry,
> folks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Melody, IA (Z
> 5/4)&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &quot;The<br>&gt; most beautiful&lt;br&gt;&gt; thing we can experience
> is the mysterious.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;
> --Albert&lt;br&gt;&gt; Einstein&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; --- On Mon 05/17, David
> Franzman &lt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net &gt;
> wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From: David Franzman<br>&gt;
> [mailto:&lt;br&gt;&gt; dfranzma@pacbell.net]&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; To:<br>&gt; gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:41:32<br>&gt;
> -0700&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> [CHAT] New<br>&gt; oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; No, no, no Pam!&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> It's<br>&gt; &quot;Can I supersize that for you!&quot; Man, could
> I&lt;br&gt;&gt; tell&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; you&lt;br&gt;stories about my kids sc
> ho
> ol. They watch more movies&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> than&lt;br&gt;the&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; attendants
> at&lt;br&gt;the Sundance Movie<br>&gt; Festival.&lt;br&gt;&gt; What's
> worse is that&lt;br&gt;&gt; not&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; only
> are most<br>&gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the&lt;br&gt;movies out of context
> with the class but&lt;br&gt;&gt; many&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
> of&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; them
> are...ugh...cartoons.&lt;br&gt;Now are we talking<br>&gt;
> about&lt;br&gt;&gt; an&lt;br&gt;elementary&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; school? Nope! High school.<br>&gt; The&lt;br&gt;coup
> d'&lt;br&gt;&gt; grace was when my&lt;br&gt;daughter&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; came home<br>&gt; from school and she&lt;br&gt;&gt; told
> me&lt;br&gt;that they watched, in&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> Spanish&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; class, a&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Flintstones cartoon<br>&gt; movie...IN&lt;br&gt;ENGLISH! Oh, it
> did&lt;br&gt;have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> Spanish<br>&gt; subtitles. The schools are dumbing down&lt;br&gt;our
> kids and I&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; find&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; it repugnant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;David
> Franzman&lt;br&gt;A Touch of&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; the&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &lt;br&gt;From:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &lt;gardenqueen@academicplanet.com&gt;&lt;br&gt;To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004
> 7:35&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> PM&lt;br&gt;Subject:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Re: Re: [CHAT]
> New&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> oleander/schools&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Agreed. I've
> seen&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; what&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; the local public schools
> produc&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; e here - you<br>&gt; wan
> t&lt;br&gt;fries w/ that?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> Appalling.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Pam<br>&gt;
> Evans&lt;br&gt;&gt; Kemp, TX&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> zone&lt;br&gt;8A&lt;br&gt;&gt; -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt;<br>&gt; Original&lt;br&gt;&gt; Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; From:
> james singer&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;
> Sent:&lt;br&gt;5/17/2004&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
> 4:24:57 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; To:<br>&gt; gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt;
> Subject: Re:&lt;br&gt;&gt; [CHAT]&lt;br&gt;New&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; oleander&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, they
> are. And I&lt;br&gt;&gt; thi<br>&gt;<br>&gt; nk<br>&gt; et<br>&gt;
> /funds/&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;
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