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RE: Way OT - Fedex Ground

>>>re: "And, don't say that they only work a short day and have the
entire summer off. Good teachers help with after school programs, spend
much of their own time and money preparing for lessons after official
school hours, and take additional courses at their own expense. Besides,
the school year is getting longer and longer. "<<<<

Not to mention all the evenings throughout the school year that they
have to be available for conferences, school carnival and other special
events, PTO meetings, etc. Until I had kids in school, I never realized
how long the teacher's days really are...many of them are at school by
7:45 and don't leave until 4:30 or 5, if they don't have a parent
conference or something after school, usually scheduled at the parent's
convenience. I know many teachers who don't get home to their own
families until 6 or 7 at night. They are without a doubt some of the
most underpaid people and yet they are the very people to whom we
entrust our future as a nation...

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Fri 05/21, Bonnie Holmes < holmesbm@usit.net > wrote:
From: Bonnie Holmes [mailto: holmesbm@usit.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 07:43:03 -0700
Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground

Also, agree. Our new governor and the push of litigation is trying
to<br>correct some of the education defects. One major problem is that
we rely<br>on property and sales tax for revenue. Those rural counties
with few<br>businesses don't generate enough revenue to support schools.
There are<br>many situations where textbooks are significantly out of
date and/or<br>insufficient to provide one to each student and many
teachers who teach<br>with temporary certificates. For example, only
one-third of math teachers<br>are certified in math. What math major
would elect to teach for 18,000 to<br>24,000 when he/she could double
that in the business world. <br><br>I will probably get blasted for this
but I believe that until we are<br>willing to pay teachers and
principals somewhat close to what they could<br>make in equivalent jobs
outside of education, we won't attract the talent<br>we need to
&quot;fix&quot; the schools. And, don't say that they only work a
short<br>day and have the entire summer off. Good teachers help with
after school<br>programs, spend much of their own time and money
preparing for lessons<br>after official school hours, and take
additional courses at their own<br>expense. Besides, the school year is
getting longer and longer. Teachers<br>report the beginning of August.
It amazes me how much difference there is<br>in resources, compensation
and time for training preparation and delivery<br>in the corporate world
as compared to &quot;schools&quot;. <br><br>Ok, I will get off my soap
box.<br><br>P.S. We have a citizens group who is working hard to try to
convince the<br>county commission that building codes are a good and
necessary thing.<br><br>Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN<br><br><br><br><br>&gt;
[Original Message]<br>&gt; From: Tchessie
&lt;tchessie@comcast.net&gt;<br>&gt; To:
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt; Date: 05/20/2004 7:19:21 PM<br>&gt;
Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I don't think
it is illiterate people who are electing these

many of them won't vote at all. You likely can thank your moderately
to<br>&gt; well educated neighbors for the current state of the
political scene.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Theresa<br>&gt;<br>&gt; -----Original
Message-----<br>&gt; From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>&gt; Behalf Of james
singer<br>&gt; Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 PM<br>&gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex
Ground<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; This, if true--and I have no reason to
believe it's not--it blows my<br>&gt; mind. No wonder we have stupid
people electing stupid leaders. Maybe we<br>&gt; need to go back to some
sort of literacy test to vote.<br>&gt; I don't mean the old southern
bullshit of asking blacks if they can<br>&gt; read a Chinese newspaper,
but the real stuff--can a cracker read<br>&gt; anything except the
chewing tobacco advertisements on his favorite<br>&gt; NASCAR
entry.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Just saw G. Weasel Bush on the tube. He seemed to
be sweating.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 10:02
PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; So true, Sue. I too have
neighbors, friends, and relatives who drive<br>&gt; &gt; trucks and are
responsible and helpful. I did not mean to imply that<br>&gt; &gt;
all<br>&gt; &gt; truckers are ignorant. However, even those who drive
agree that there<br>&gt; &gt; are<br>&gt; &gt; a sizable number who
can't read or can't follow a map. You live in a<br>&gt; &gt; highly
regulated state. Here, in my county, for example, there are no<br>&gt;
&gt; building codes for non-public buildings and my licensed
electrician,<br>&gt; &gt; who I<br>&gt; &gt; admire and trust, cannot
read and admits it. Only 19% of my state has<br>&gt; &gt; a<br>&gt; &gt;
degree beyond high school and a sizable number have never
completed<br>&gt; &gt; high<br>&gt; &gt; school so we have a large
number who are functionally illiterate. It<br>&gt; &gt; is a<br>&gt;
&gt; serious problem in some areas.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; While some

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