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Re: Way OT - Fedex Ground

The coach part probably accounts for $30,000 of that.

On Friday, May 21, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Kitty wrote:

Re > I will probably get blasted for this but...
Why? I think most of us here are with you on this Bonnie. A teacher's day
is a LOT longer than 9 to 3, 9 months of the year. Your state needs to
develop a system of spreading the distribution of tax income more evenly, as
the current system promotes a vicious circle of lack of education. I'm not
up on current salaries, but a friend of mine who teaches biology in a local
public school and is also a guidance counselor and coach makes over $40,000.
I think that's reasonable for all that he does.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bonnie Holmes" <holmesbm@usit.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground

Also, agree. Our new governor and the push of litigation is trying to
correct some of the education defects. One major problem is that we rely
on property and sales tax for revenue. Those rural counties with few
businesses don't generate enough revenue to support schools. There are
many situations where textbooks are significantly out of date and/or
insufficient to provide one to each student and many teachers who teach
with temporary certificates. For example, only one-third of math teachers
are certified in math. What math major would elect to teach for 18,000
24,000 when he/she could double that in the business world.

I will probably get blasted for this but I believe that until we are
willing to pay teachers and principals somewhat close to what they could
make in equivalent jobs outside of education, we won't attract the talent
we need to "fix" the schools. And, don't say that they only work a short
day and have the entire summer off. Good teachers help with after school
programs, spend much of their own time and money preparing for lessons
after official school hours, and take additional courses at their own
expense. Besides, the school year is getting longer and longer.
report the beginning of August. It amazes me how much difference there
in resources, compensation and time for training preparation and delivery
in the corporate world as compared to "schools".

Ok, I will get off my soap box.

P.S. We have a citizens group who is working hard to try to convince the
county commission that building codes are a good and necessary thing.

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN

[Original Message]
From: Tchessie <tchessie@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Date: 05/20/2004 7:19:21 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground

I don't think it is illiterate people who are electing these stupid
many of them won't vote at all. You likely can thank your moderately to
well educated neighbors for the current state of the political scene.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On
Behalf Of james singer
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground

This, if true--and I have no reason to believe it's not--it blows my
mind. No wonder we have stupid people electing stupid leaders. Maybe we
need to go back to some sort of literacy test to vote.
I don't mean the old southern bullshit of asking blacks if they can
read a Chinese newspaper, but the real stuff--can a cracker read
anything except the chewing tobacco advertisements on his favorite
NASCAR entry.

Just saw G. Weasel Bush on the tube. He seemed to be sweating.

On Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:

So true, Sue. I too have neighbors, friends, and relatives who drive
trucks and are responsible and helpful. I did not mean to imply that
truckers are ignorant. However, even those who drive agree that there
a sizable number who can't read or can't follow a map. You live in a
highly regulated state. Here, in my county, for example, there are no
building codes for non-public buildings and my licensed electrician,
who I
admire and trust, cannot read and admits it. Only 19% of my state has
degree beyond high school and a sizable number have never completed
school so we have a large number who are functionally illiterate. It
is a
serious problem in some areas.

While some companies have strict policies and training, there are many
independent truckers and drivers in this area who are not under such
nor benefit from company training.

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN

[Original Message]
From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Date: 05/20/2004 2:50:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Way OT - Fedex Ground

In a message dated 05/20/2004 3:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sue.nyc@att.net writes:

want to clarify a few stereotypes and misconceptions

I, for one, know you are right, Sue. The few drivers I have known well
all hard-working upstanding citizens, except for my
who got
a CDL to drive a truck hauling gravel while she was still married to
She is an extremely bright woman, even if a total b*****. The bottom
line is
that stereotypes are usually wrong.
If there is something wrong at FedEx ground, it probably starts with
management. I didn't even know there was such - the FedEx I have
over at least 15 years has worked very well for me, and the drivers
very bright, steady fellows. I'm sorry to hear about the problems

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