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RE: plant suggestions please

Donna, brick walls do that.  When we looked into energy conservation, they
suggested putting sun rooms on the south side of houses solely for the
reason that brick absorbs heat during the day and dissipates it after the
sun goes down.  If you used a climber (like a clematis or something with the
same "reach") on a trellis on that wall, the plant itself would shield the
wall from the heat where the trellis covers the bricks.  Just putting a
wooden trellis up against that wall will help cool it down because it will
keep the heat from reaching the bricks.  It might also make a nice
"conversation piece" and break up a large expanse of brick.  You remember
that big brick area on the side of the garage at my house?  The three Rose
of Sharon Bushes have effectively broken that up and their presence reduces
the amount of heat the wall picks up.  Then in the fall when added heat in
that area is needed at night and the leaves have dropped, the brick provides
a nice little micro climate.

Do you have mostly Xeriscape plants in the bed along that wall?  Check out
this web sight: http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B1073.htm  and the
High Country Garden's sight, too.  There are plants designed for Pam's type
of heat, that should take what that wall can dish out.

As for coreopsis, I have found them to be somewhat short lived perennials
here, except for my moonbeam coreopsis.  Despite the invasion of the Chinese
lanterns and gooseneck loosestrife (though it has taken ten years to do the
invading,) it comes back year after year.  I think I'll dig up a chunk this
spring and put some in a "roomier" location.  It is one I'd love to see
"take over" an area. 

I figured our "clay" was similar, but perhaps not when it comes to bleeding
heart.  They are planted in "woodsy" soil in the mostly shade.  Mine are
thriving and I dearly love their spring appearances.  I'm so sorry they
haven't given you the same pleasure.  Do you use any lungworts?  I have
three varieties now and I dearly love the mottled leaves in the shade.
Every time I see a different variety for a good price, I snap it up!  Their
spring flowers are surprisingly beautiful as well.  

Have you seen the newest of the coneflowers?  There are at least two
fragrant varieties and neither are "purple."  It might be something
different for you.  Some of the new coneflowers don't even look like
coneflowers with a much flatter flower face.  Some are much shorter than the
old standards.  It might be something to look into for the less shady and
heat prone areas.

I think you just need time to wander leisurely through a nursery or two.  I
know you would see the perfect things for your yard!  Now, how do we get you
leisure time?


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf
Of Donna
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:55 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: RE: [CHAT] plant suggestions please

If I knew what I wanted, the world would be shocked LOL! 

Actually, I do know what I don't want.- the same plants I have everywhere
else. Looking for different!

Although I like your ideas, I have hellebore's and jacob's ladders in two
other flower beds already- and I would love to have a bleeding heart, but
after numberous tries, just can't seem to over winter them.
(we are past the three times of killing it all over the yard looking for the
right place)

I may look into a coreopsis for there. Had one but it got swallowed up with
weeds and other stuff that got out of control there last fall... but
definately open to suggestions!

Picture 4-

That darn wall is so "hot" it frys everything, even when the sun goes down,
that brick wall radiates heat!

More later.... 


--- Bonnie & Bill Morgan <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>

> Donna, how tall a plant or plant combination do you want there?  The 
> hosta is nice, which leads me to think a Hellebore there would blend 
> right in with perhaps some Jacob's ladder and an ethereal or two, like 
> bleeding heart for early spring.  Perhaps some Sweet Woodruff, (Galium
> ordorata) as they love
> moisture and as the shade increases would do very well there, with a 
> bit of comfrey thrown in for spring color.  For more spring color 
> (also loving
> moisture) are primroses.  Most of these are not all that tall with the 
> Sweet Woodruff only being 3" or so tall.  If you want something taller 
> with later blooms, I'll see what else does well around here near the 
> pond.  My pond is in mostly shade, but around the margins I have 
> different things.
> For that place on the other side of the waterfall, Sweet woodruff or 
> one of the comfrey's would offer nice greens after their spring blooms 
> and a place for the eye to rest.
> For that raised bed, do you want a different color foliage?  I love 
> the Sedum sarmentosum because of it's yellow green very low foliage 
> and bright yellow flowers.  It loves full sun and it is a very low 
> grower to keep that angel is the focal point.  There are lost of other 
> low growing sun lovers that would look good there.  Maybe a Passion 
> plant?
> It's purple in the
> spring would be great.
> For Picture 4, did you want something tall or something really tall?  
> Holly hocks love a nice hot wall!  They are really tall and produce 
> lovely flowers all summer.  Depending on the type of holly hock you'd 
> put there, ratty leaves could be a problem if it is a showy area.
> However, putting Cana
> there might be an alternative.  They too like it "hot!"  If you want 
> something shorter, what about a beardtongue?  There are a variety of 
> colors these days for zone 5 and they attract the hummingbirds.  I 
> really do like my "husker's red" because it has that burgundy leaf 
> structure and the white blooms play off it well.
> What all is growing there in picture 5?  What colors are already 
> there?
> Most any semi-shade tolerant plant would look good there.  Is there a 
> season you want to hi-lite with color/blossoms?  Do you want annuals 
> or perennials?
> BTW, I love the coral bark blossoms!  They are great!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf Of Donna
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:10 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: [CHAT] plant suggestions please
> Saturday I am going to visit 'that nursery' to fill some holes in my 
> garden.
> Looking for thoughts on what type plants to use. Any suggestions?  I 
> took these pictures when I got home tonight, so being zone 5 here, 
> they will fill out some....Still early here, we are not past our last 
> frost date yet!
> Pictures that correspond with the below text can be found here- 
> (guessing you will have to look around the album for them- didn't stay 
> in the order I uploaded...hum.
> http://snipurl.com/qara
> Pictures 1a, 1b, 1c - are different angles of the same area. This is 
> good soil, drains well, but will occasionally get drowned if the pond 
> decides to
> leak- Normally, I catch that when I get home, so it isn't like that 
> for days, and does drain out quickly- kinda like oops-leaving the hose 
> on all day. For the most part it is full sun, but the trees are 
> growing.  Note the rock - there is a pipe running underground there to 
> the filter, so the plant can not break it with it's root system.
> My thought was something cute to view as you walk down the path to the 
> back area of the yard.
> Picture 2- Other side of this waterfall. Got a small area that is 
> shade. Not sure what I want to do there. Might just let it be, as in 
> somewhere to rest your eye. Same scenario with soil and water as 
> picture 1, but this is crowded out by the bald cypress for light.
> Picture 3- no clue why two plants died there this winter. It is a 
> raised bed with great soil, full sun. Need something in front of the 
> angel.
> Picture 4- This bed hasn't been cleaned up yet, but I did take out a 
> plant that is now elsewhere cause it got too big. The big hole in 
> front is not my concern, as those other two plants will close that
> in- but behind against
> the building? Been thinking for a year what to put there, but haven't 
> come up with anything good. It gets HOT there (western exposure), full 
> sun, soil is ok, but could be better. Drainage has never been an issue 
> there.
> Picture 5- Front raised bed, has plenty of room for anything. Good 
> soil, drains well, faces east so really only gets the morning sun.
> Oh, and the last picture is just for kicks- Didn't realize the coral 
> bark tree flowered-- what a surprise!
> Donna
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