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Re: RE: OT - Wonderful web tribute to the Armed forces

You're a good person Bonnie. I'll admit I enjoy shocking the heck out of
snooty types. But I do not understand the mindset that causes this.

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Bonnie & Bill Morgan
Sent: 11/16/2004 9:56:50 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: RE: [CHAT] OT - Wonderful web tribute to the Armed forces

On the other hand, even snooty people have lessons to learn.  They just
don't know they do.  In my experience, many of the folks labeled "snobs"
were of two kinds:  1) Too full of themselves and 2) Covering their
insecurities with pretense.  There is more hope for the insecure snob and
the challenge for us to turn them into understanding and contributing
members of society.

Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf
Of pdickson
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:28 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] OT - Wonderful web tribute to the Armed forces

I agree with that... .snooty people just ruin lots of stuff all the way from

school to church to garden groups.  I think we should just avoid snooty 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] OT - Wonderful web tribute to the Armed forces

> Ceres, thanks for speaking up for garden clubs.  I'm afraid they suffer 
> from
> an image problem, but they are not generally tea-drinking societies.   Of
> course, they
> vary from place to place, and from club to club.  I know the 30-odd clubs 
> in
> this
> District pretty well, and very few of them would fit in that category. I
> don't know of any that don't have some sort of community service - from 
> street
> plantings to special gardens, educational programs, or programs for 
> childern. On
> the other
> hand, the  Master Gardeners in the area are pretty snooty, and I don't 
> really
> know of any project they support.  They look down their noses at garden 
> club
> members - say they aren't really serious.  One very fine gardener was 
> turned
> down because they said her involvement with garden clubs would demand too
> much of her time. They have refused to give us speakers for the New York 
> State
> Federation's Horticulture School.  I know Master Gardeners other places 
> are
> not
> like this - I have talked to many across the state and they all agree that
> this is not
> common.  My point is that all garden clubs should not be stereotyped, nor
> should
> all Master Gardeners.  There are fine people and programs in both, and 
> this
> group's discussion has pointed out many differences in MG programs from 
> place
> to place.
> Auralie
> In a message dated 11/16/2004 2:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Cersgarden@aol.com writes:
> << didn't want it to be a tea sipping garden club that didn't dig. >>
> Tricia, I must start by telling you all garden clubs are not tea sipping
> clubs and, in fact, I don't know of any in our area.  There are clubs that
> operate
> a bit more formally than others and may use their silver for refreshments 
> but
> still have the projects that enlists the true gardeners skills.  We also 
> have
> a garden club in our area that has limited membership and each candidate 
> must
> be voted on to become a member.  They use the black ball method.
>    The major difference btwn a garden club & MGs is their objectives.  MG 
> is
> an org designed for volunteers to assist extension in their service to our
> communities and in exchange provide the nec training.  Many hold the idea
> that
> MGs was designed to train the volunteer to be a better gardener and to
> provide
> skills to better develop his/hers own garden.  Unfortunately, many enter 
> the
> program with that idea or agenda. We have also had a number who are 
> employed
> in
> the gardening world and enter the program to promote their employment
> opportunities.  On the other side, I have friends that would truly like to

> be
> a MG
> but just do not have the time to volunteer as would be expected.
>    Garden clubs are to designed to educate their members and to be 
> involved
> in a community project.  There are no pay back or mbship rqmts other than 
> a
> membership fee.  Both are great experiences.  I do both.
>    Ceres
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