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Re: [Fwd: [THML] Re: California fires.]/supplier

That's amazing. So nice to hear a happy ending. My hearts go out to
those that don't end well. If this fire was intentionally set as they
suspect, they need to make a severe example of the fool.

It's unbelievable.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jesse Bell" <jesserenebell@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:57:21 -0600

>Wow.  Incredible story.  I'm so happy for them...and so sad for those that 
>have lost everything.  I watch the news with sadness...and amazement at 
>those firefighters.
>Jesse Rene' Bell
>Claremore, OK
>Zone 6
>>From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>>Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>To: Garden <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>Subject: [CHAT] [Fwd:  [THML] Re: California fires.]/supplier
>>Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:23:20 -0800
>>I'm forwarding this message from my supplier.  He posted this on the
>>Hibiscus list.  It's a fairly riveting tale so I thought you would like
>>to see it rather than just reading the answer from me.  I hope this
>>isn't just spam for you.
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: 	FW: Spam Alert: [THML] Re: California fires.
>>Date: 	Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:28:13 -0500
>>From: 	Micki <mickimouse@mindspring.com>
>>To: 	David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Charles Black [mailto:cb@hiddenvalleyhibiscus.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:57 AM
>>To: thml@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Spam Alert: [THML] Re: California fires.
>>Hi Dale and Friends,
>>This is the first time I could get online since Saturday night,
>>due to electricity outages and being more than a little busy. As
>>circumstances would have it Yvonne, the HVH web master, is here
>>in CA on her annual visit to see the new cvs and enjoy life in a
>>hibiscus nursery for a few weeks. We had been fine tuning a new
>>propagation area and were in the middle of grafting next year's
>>plants when we lost power on Sunday morning.
>>Since then I have been fighting for the survival of my nursery as
>>fire scorched the surrounding area, and Yvonne has been there
>>every step of the way. Together we and other HVH staff battled a
>>blaze on an adjoining property that threatened to ignite a line
>>of Eucalyptus trees that would surely have resulted in fire
>>engulfing my entire place. We won that skirmish but would once
>>again have lost everything if it were not for the fire fighters
>>stopping an advancing wall of flame around midnight on Sunday.
>>They shoveled a break some 10 yards from our east property line
>>and it held despite pessimistic asessment by some of the fire
>>crew. On Monday night the winds had shifted and the entire
>>mountainside on our west border was ablaze, separated from us
>>only by the 2 lane road that leads to our driveway. We watched in
>>awe as the fire crews returned and set a back fire that prevented
>>the bigger fire from jumping the road and racing acoss the Hidden
>>Valley Hibiscus property. When we approached the road to have a
>>better look a familiar black man popped out of the shadows with a
>>microphone saying "Hi, I'm Al Roker (sp?), covering the fire for
>>NBC's Today Show."  He asked us some questions and then went back
>>to the firemen.
>>In the last 24 hours the fire has been driven east by onshore
>>winds and away from our area. As the smoke cleared today (Yvonne
>>never expected to wear a pesticide respirator for most of 2
>>days!) we were shocked to see the utter devastation of all the
>>neighboring property in every direction. We and a horse rancher
>>adjoining our property to the north had the only properties that
>>were not burned to charcoal for as far as the eye can see. The
>>rest of the area looks like a black and white moonscape, with our
>>little green oasis in the midst of it.
>>Though we had not a single blade of grass burned, we soon
>>realized that without electricity we could not pump water from
>>the wells and without water we could lose all the hibiscus. We
>>raced to Home Depot and bought one of the last 2 generators they
>>had but it was not able to power our well pump. Back to Graingers
>>the next day and they came thru with a generator that can do the
>>The whole experience has been surreal, and I aplogize for not
>>making contact with more people outside the area. Yvonne could
>>not even go online to put a message on our website due to the
>>phone lines being down as well as the electricity.
>>Tomorrow all of the HVH workers we could find will return and we
>>will continue with normal operations, except that we cannot
>>process orders placed on our website quite yet nor retrieve mail
>>in a timely way (orders can be placed, we just cannot download
>>them now). Wholesale sales continue as scheduled and propagation
>>for next year will resume full scale tomorrow.
>>Dale, sorry about the cell phone. There is no service in the
>>valley where we are located even in normal times so I can only
>>receive calls during the times we are back down in Escondido. I
>>will write you directly or call as soon as I can.
>>Another fire fighter died today, defending the lovely old
>>mountain town of Julian in the mountains east of here. In our
>>area 111 homes were lost, but many more than that were saved. 2
>>people died, but many more almost did.  Our firefighters were
>>sent north during the 2 days before the San Diego fires started,
>>but once they returned in force they did a tremendous job of
>>saving lives and structures. They had to let a lot of land burn
>>but in some ways that will be better for the future. Our
>>sincerest best wishes and prayers go out to the fire fighters who
>>time and again stepped in at the last minute with decisive force
>>and prevented a great tragedy from becoming even worse.
>>We will probably create some new web pages to document the fire
>>and how we dealt with it at HVH, these to be announced in an
>>upcoming News Letter.
>>To all who have written to Yvonne and I in the last days, thank
>>you.  I have only just begun to review the hundreds of messages
>>that are waiting, and will not be able to answer many of them
>>until we are permanently back online (Yvonne managed this current
>>session on her laptop in a motel with a connection to a dial up
>>in Sweden!), but thanks to all of you for your thoughts and
>>Dreaming of hibiscus yet to come,
>>Charles Black
>>  >
>>  > From: tamibon@aol.com
>>  > Date: 2003/10/29 Wed PM 10:30:45 EST
>>  > To: THML@yahoogroups.com
>>  > Subject: Re: [THML] Re: California fires.
>>  >
>>  > I have called Charles Black's personal cell phone many times
>>in the last few
>>  > days.
>>  >
>>  > No one answers and the phone keeps ringing without an
>>  > reply.
>>  >
>>  > Not sure what to make of it. I'll keep the group posted if I
>>get any response.
>>  >
>>  > Hope everyone survives this great catastrophe.
>>  >
>>  > Dale Dubin
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