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RE: Social security overflow, change the law


Perhaps some, but not most, Kitty.  Many in my family were military or
worked in public schools or worked for the state.  We're not talking those
in power positions, we're talking those in the lower echelons of service and
those with military backgrounds (most not officers) who take a civil service
job or work within local government or related jobs.  When my folks were
younger, the majority of folks didn't get into the stock market or have
financial planning or 401K's to help them.  They barely got by from one day
to the next.

And I agree with Cathy C. too.

Blessings,
Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5) 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On Behalf
Of Kitty
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:00 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law

>    Public servants have never been treated well in the US

Except for members of Congress, they retire quite well.

Kitty
neIN, Zone 5
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Bush" <genebush@otherside.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law


> Perhaps times are changing...
>    I doubt it, but. The general public has always resented public 
> employees and see them as loaded up on benefits and pay they can not have.

> Nothing further from the truth, but ...... Double dipping... retiring from

> the military with one pension and still being young enough to retire from 
> another government job has always been resented and the employees seen as 
> rich at the public expense.
>    I worked for 27 years postal system, 4 years military. When I take SS 
> it will cut my other retirement to just about nil. I retired out at 30% of

> my gross from the postal system. .... 12 years back at $750 a month.  Who 
> can live on that? and if you add to it you are a rich person who is 
> bankrupting the country. No dental benefits, I pay half my medical which 
> is mostly a plan so I will not pay more than $2000 a year from my own 
> pocket.
>    Public servants have never been treated well in the US that I am aware 
> of. Perhaps now that the public's tail has been saved once more at the 
> expense of public servants lives some good will may last another year or 
> two until the laws can get changed.
>    On a rant here this morning.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law
>
>
>> Well that hardly seems fair!    Sheesh.
>>
>> On 10/5/06, Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know how many people here are affected by this, but the current
>>> law states that any government employee who retires with a government
>>> pension can only collect about 1/3 of any social security that they 
>>> would
>>> normally receive.
>>>
>>> For example, my Mom put 15 years into SS and 22 years into SURS (the
>>> State University Retirement System).  She can retire from SURS with
>>> a small pension (22 years gives her about 40% of her salary), but the
>>> 15 years of social security will pay her a whopping 5% of her salary.
>>> So after 37 years of secretarial/receptionist work she will receive
>>> 45% of her current income, less taxes.
>>>
>>> Pensioners through private programs can collect from SS and their 
>>> pension
>>> fund; it's only government employees who are penalized.
>>>
>>> To add insult to injury, if your spouse dies and you're on a government
>>> pension, your spouse's social security is also cut.  In my Mom's case,
>>> if anything were to happen to my Dad my Mom wouldn't be allowed to
>>> collect ANY widower's social security benefits.
>>>
>>> There's currently a bill out there to change this.  If you think that
>>> this is a bad thing (as I do, who will also be affected by this when I
>>> retire), visit
>>>
>>>   http://www.dingomt.com/ssoffsetlaw/
>>>
>>> for more information.  A sample letter to send to your representative
>>> is available at
>>>
>>>   http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/socialsecurity7
>>>
>>> Or you can call 1-866-327-8670 and ask for your congressperson's office.
>>> Say "As Congressperson _____________'s constituent, I am calling to ask
>>> him/her to sign the discharge petition, House Resolution 987, introduced
>>> on
>>> September 7, to bring the Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 147) to a
>>> prompt vote on the House floor."
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Pam Evans
>> Kemp TX
>> zone 8A
>>
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