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Re: Social security overflow, change the law

I am one of those that you will probably never meet and I don't do anything to let anyone in the military know how much I appreciate them, but I do. I can't imagine the risk involved or the amount of real service you give. I wish there was another way to protect our country but I know there isn't. I too think that we don't take care of our military veterans. My brother served in Vietnam and I see in him how much it changed his life completely.
I hope you take this as offered, a very humble thank you!!!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Carpenter" <cathy.c@insightbb.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law

As retired military (31 yrs), I have always felt that the complainers
have no inkling of military life. Would they be willing to leave in
less than 24 hours to a hostile environment halfway around the world?
Would they be willing to risk their lives for people who think they
are exploiting "the system"? Would they be willing to risk their
lives to protect people they do not know, who speak a different
language, and who may never thank them? No one joins the military
with the expectation they will get rich, and some die before they can
ever collect their pensions. I have no regrets about my decision to
serve. I was a member of a community with a sense of mission and
purpose. Double dipping? Those folks earned their pensions, and if
they have contributed in another job, haven't they earned that
compensation too?

Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Gene Bush wrote:

Perhaps times are changing...
   I doubt it, but. The general public has always resented public
employees and see them as loaded up on benefits and pay they can
not have. Nothing further from the truth, but ...... Double
dipping... retiring from the military with one pension and still
being young enough to retire from another government job has always
been resented and the employees seen as rich at the public expense.
   I worked for 27 years postal system, 4 years military. When I
take SS it will cut my other retirement to just about nil. I
retired out at 30% of my gross from the postal system. .... 12
years back at $750 a month.  Who can live on that? and if you add
to it you are a rich person who is bankrupting the country. No
dental benefits, I pay half my medical which is mostly a plan so I
will not pay more than $2000 a year from my own pocket.
   Public servants have never been treated well in the US that I am
aware of. Perhaps now that the public's tail has been saved once
more at the expense of public servants lives some good will may
last another year or two until the laws can get changed.
   On a rant here this morning.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Social security overflow, change the law

Well that hardly seems fair!    Sheesh.

On 10/5/06, Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey@mallorn.com> wrote:

I don't know how many people here are affected by this, but the
law states that any government employee who retires with a
pension can only collect about 1/3 of any social security that
they would
normally receive.

For example, my Mom put 15 years into SS and 22 years into SURS (the
State University Retirement System). She can retire from SURS with
a small pension (22 years gives her about 40% of her salary), but
15 years of social security will pay her a whopping 5% of her
So after 37 years of secretarial/receptionist work she will receive
45% of her current income, less taxes.

Pensioners through private programs can collect from SS and their
fund; it's only government employees who are penalized.

To add insult to injury, if your spouse dies and you're on a
pension, your spouse's social security is also cut. In my Mom's
if anything were to happen to my Dad my Mom wouldn't be allowed to
collect ANY widower's social security benefits.

There's currently a bill out there to change this. If you think
this is a bad thing (as I do, who will also be affected by this
when I
retire), visit


for more information. A sample letter to send to your
is available at


Or you can call 1-866-327-8670 and ask for your congressperson's
Say "As Congressperson _____________'s constituent, I am calling
to ask
him/her to sign the discharge petition, House Resolution 987,
September 7, to bring the Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 147)
to a
prompt vote on the House floor."



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