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  • From: "Bobby Baxter - Wake Forest, NC" <irismoose@daylily.net>
  • Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:08:43 -0400

Chick,  I am a supporter of registering plants with the appropriate
international registration authority, in this case, the American Hosta
Society.  If you really want use the name "Bridgewood 0017" then I recommend
a variation of it.  However, the name that you would have to submit that
meets the guidelines of the ICNCP is "BRIG-0017" or even "BRIG0017WD".  I
know these two variations look more like seedling numbers in actuality, but,
they are acceptable when you read Article 19.27 which states: "A cultivar
epithet may also be in the form of a code of up to 10 characters excluding
spaces and that consists of no more than four alternating sets of a letter
or letters and a number or numbers."

At the end of 1999 I submitted the name "Y2K" for the registration of a
daylily.  It was initially rejected, so I appealed the decision.  It was
rejected based upon the 1995 ICNCP rules in that it resembled a seedling
number.  However, in my appeal I commented that Y2K is actually a
recognizable word in America and most parts of the world since you could not
pick up a newspaper in this country without reading a reference to Y2K and
everyone knew exactly what it meant.  I bet if I had tried that name 10
years earlier then I would not have won the appeal.


Bobby Baxter
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chick" <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com>
To: <hosta-open@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 9:32 AM

> Well, there's another twist.  That's probably why I was told I couldn't
> do it in the first place.
> The only thing I can think of that I have in common with Dubya is that I
> hate nuance, so I'll probably do it anyway if I feel like it.  It just
> means that I can't register the plant as 'Bridgewood 0017'. Since I never
> planned to do that anyway I guess the whole question was more a matter of
> curiosity anyway because I started seeing names with digits in them after
> I was told I couldn't do it.  I thought it was just another case of
> people picking on me again.  Now I find that it's just one of those damn
> nuances.
> Chick
> Bobby Baxter - Wake Forest, NC wrote:
>   Chick, I believe that the name Hosta 'Bridgewood 007' should be rejected
>   based on Article 19.27, Ex. 48 of the February 2004 ICNCP.  Your
>   name could easily  be considered as a "collector's reference number" or
>   hybridizers's seedling number.  Your proposed name also exceeds the 10
>   character limit of 19.27 in how it relates to "coded epithets."  I think
>   ICNCP is clear in this regard as outlined on page 27 of the 2004 ICNCP.
>   There are many nuances in The Code but I feel that once you start
>   with the ICNCP on a daily basis, then it becomes more clear and you can
>   the logic behind it.  When considering a new epithet, then you must only
>   consider how the ICNCP affects each individual proposed name.
>   You should not say that if "Name 1" is allowed, then "Name 2" must be
>   allowed.  This is the comparision you mentioned in your letter between
>   'Apollo 13' and H. 'Bridgeport 007'.  Article 19.16 addresses the
>   name of H. 'Apollo 13' and Article 19.27 addresses the proposed name of
>   'Bridgeport 007'.  Each name must be considered on its individual merits
>   relationship with the ICNCP.
>   Chick, I believe the ICNCP is very clear in this matter and I recommend
>   you obtain a copy of it.
>   Bobby Baxter
>   Happy Moose Gardens  http://happymoosegardens.com
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Chick"   <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com>  To:
<hosta-open@hort.net>  Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:44 PM
>     Thanks Kevin,
>     I have to admit that rules irritate me, but in this case I asked for
>     so I have only myself to blame.
>     The reason I'm asking is that I am not a big fan of naming, nor or
>     registering, streaked plants unless they are truly unusual and
>     outstanding for some reason.  Obviously there are many who disagree
>     because I see all kinds of plants being named that don't look any
>     different than the hundreds of streaked plants I produce every year -
>     thousands if you count the ones I throw out. I can't see any reason to
>     introduce a streaked plant unless it's an outstanding breeder, and
>     doesn't mean just any streaked plant that will produce additional
>     ordinary streaked plants.
>     Anyway, I digress (does it seem that there's always a rant attached to
>     my questions?).  I do have some streaked plants that I consider
>     outstanding breeders and I have considered offering them for sale in
>     future.  Generally I number the seedlings I use for breeding and don't
>     give them a name unless they stabilize into something I find
>     interesting.  I think I was once told that I could not name a plant
>     'Bridgewood 0017 ' legally because it didn't conform to the rules.  It
>     would seem to me that if 'Apolo 13' is legal, then 'Bridgewood 0017'
>     would be too.  Yes?
>     Chick
>     Giboshiman@aol.com     wrote:
>       In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chick@bridgewoodgardens.com       writes:
>       Actually, I'm not bored.  Does it say anywhere in there whether
>       are allowed in hosta names?  That's really all I was wondering
>       Chick
>       Chick I know it scares you when I send anything that relates to
rules but
>   in
>       this case I think you will like the answer I am giving you to your
>   question!
>       The relevant sections ("articles") of the 2004 version of the code
>   follow:
>       19.15 For a cultivar name to be established on or after 1 January
>   its
>       epithet must
>       consist of no more than 30 characters (Roman letters, numbers,  and
>   permitted
>       punctuation marks or symbols) overall, excluding spaces and  the
>   demarcating
>       marks.
>       Ex. 24.  After 1 January 1996 a name with the  cultivar epithet
>   la
>       Comtesse Oswald de Kerchove de Denterghem" could not  be
>       19.16. A cultivar name may not be established if on or after 1
>   2004
>       its epithet
>       consists solely of a single letter or solely of Arabic or  Roman
>   numerals.
>       Ex. 25.  Names containing the epithets "K", "400", and  "MMIV"
cannot be
>       established, but the epithets "Hundred", "10 Downing Street",  "451
>       Boulevard", "77 Sunset Strip", "Apollo 13", "Catch 22", "Henry
>   "Pope Leo X",
>       "4th July", and "Happy 21st Birthday" could be established.
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