Yes. I saw that posting by Kevin but chaulked it up to grief
and remorse because the passing of someone who was perhaps a good friend
in the Hosta community. I normally expect a lot more reasoned and
thoughtful approach from Kevin, as he has done in the past, so I imagine
even he will see this as somewhat out of character. How can we thank
I think what he meant to say is that when the board meets to discuss
this issue next time, the membership will have notice of the agenda before
that meeting, and have a notice of the proposed changes. Of course,
I believe this is what was done LAST time, so why continue to beat this
dead horse? Kevin raises a good point. What should have happened
was for Ben to be more vocal sooner AND for a notice requesting input
to have been posted prominently at the web site, on our foreheads, or on
this lists. I think people were dumbfounded with the 167% increase
in Lifetime membership fees even though it was justified. Perhaps
this could have been done differently and achieved more lifetime memberships,
yet those are the lease cost effective for the AHS. Achieving 100%
fairness is a difficult goal. Worthy of pursuit, yes. Practical,
I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to encourage international membership,
but that's just my take on the situation. Perhaps lots of other US
members might object to such preferential treatment. I'm sure you
and Preston are not alone on this one.
I did like Preston's idea of holding national board meetings near the
regional meetings, if that is possible. It certainly should boost
participation from the membership. A participatory membership should
go a long way toward helping to attract new blood. And don't we all
love to see new members? What good is it to attract new members only
to blow them outta here when they disagree? Disagreement is valuable
though we want it to be REASONED disagreement.
As for the leaving the society idea, once again, Kevin was probably
under a lot more pressure than usual and just reacting. Kind of like
me with Irwin. I was really looking forward to his talk here
until he started claiming you were a liar. Heck, I don't even
know Irwin so why would I not look forward to his presentation? Only
because, by applying some intelligence one can quickly discern from Kevin's
numbers that there is preferential treatment being given to the US members,
and it appeared that Irwin was refusing to see this. Kevin pointed
this out himself so how can we argue with those numbers?
Like Kevin says, we probably need to send this issue on sabbatical IF there
is a commitment to review the numbers at the next dues setting meeting.
When dues will come up as an agenda item, I do not know, but I'd certainly
like to see lots of effort to recruit those who live far away. Afterall,
that's where most of our Hostas came from--overseas! Maybe they're
holding out on us even now!
As for me, though, people will have to yell at me a lot in order to
get ME to leave because it took me seven years to make the decision to
join in the first place! I've still got jaded eyes, for heaven's
Jade Scepter, Jade Beauty, Jade Cascade, Jade Lancer...
Hosta la Vista!
Dan Nelson wrote:
this mean you won't be posting the figures I asked about? I
understand that this is a "dead issue" because it has been passed by the
board. I just disagree
with your "better logic" that uses auction funds and other monies to subsidize
only American subscriptions while at the same time surcharging almost all
international members. I
am sorry to hear that it is your opinion that if I don't like the policy
that I should leave the society. I am sure there are many people over the
years that have taken opinions such as yours to heart and have left. Maybe
I will leave one day too. Dan======================================
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001
Subject: Re: Almsbox - Ben has never
asked for a handout, he only asked for fairness.
I have been perfectly clear on the
subject and I think it is a shame that you
can't accept a dues increase that
was appropriately developed. All you are
trying to do is keep pushing a dead
issue. The dues increase was
appropriate. It was passed by the
board at a meeting designated for the
purpose after having been announced
six months in advance and open debate.
It was developed with better logic
than any local society develops its dues.
In my opinion, if you don't
like it leave the society!