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The controversy needs a sabbatical...

Hi Dan,
Yes.  I saw that posting by Kevin but chaulked it up to grief and remorse because the passing of someone who was perhaps a good friend in the Hosta community.  I normally expect a lot more reasoned and thoughtful approach from Kevin, as he has done in the past, so I imagine even he will see this as somewhat out of character.  How can we thank editor's enough?

I think what he meant to say is that when the board meets to discuss this issue next time, the membership will have notice of the agenda before that meeting, and have a notice of the proposed changes.  Of course, I believe this is what was done LAST time, so why continue to beat this dead horse?  Kevin raises a good point.  What should have happened was for Ben to be more vocal sooner AND for a notice requesting input to have been posted prominently at the web site, on our foreheads, or on this lists.  I think people were dumbfounded with the 167% increase in Lifetime membership fees even though it was justified.  Perhaps this could have been done differently and achieved more lifetime memberships, yet those are the lease cost effective for the AHS.  Achieving 100% fairness is a difficult goal.  Worthy of pursuit, yes.  Practical, probably not.

I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to encourage international membership, but that's just my take on the situation.  Perhaps lots of other US members might object to such preferential treatment.  I'm sure you and Preston are not alone on this one.

I did like Preston's idea of holding national board meetings near the regional meetings, if that is possible.  It certainly should boost participation from the membership.  A participatory membership should go a long way toward helping to attract new blood.  And don't we all love to see new members?  What good is it to attract new members only to blow them outta here when they disagree?  Disagreement is valuable though we want it to be REASONED disagreement.

As for the leaving the society idea, once again, Kevin was probably under a lot more pressure than usual and just reacting.  Kind of like me with Irwin.  I was really looking forward to his talk here until he started claiming you were a liar.  Heck, I don't even know Irwin so why would I not look forward to his presentation?  Only because, by applying some intelligence one can quickly discern from Kevin's numbers that there is preferential treatment being given to the US members, and it appeared that Irwin was refusing to see this.  Kevin pointed this out himself so how can we argue with those numbers?

Like Kevin says, we probably need to send this issue on sabbatical IF there is a commitment to review the numbers at the next dues setting meeting.  When dues will come up as an agenda item, I do not know, but I'd certainly like to see lots of effort to recruit those who live far away.  Afterall, that's where most of our Hostas came from--overseas!  Maybe they're holding out on us even now!

As for me, though, people will have to yell at me a lot in order to get ME to leave because it took me seven years to make the decision to join in the first place!  I've still got jaded eyes, for heaven's sake...

Jade Scepter, Jade Beauty, Jade Cascade, Jade Lancer...

Hosta la Vista!
Andrew L.

Dan Nelson wrote:

Does this mean you won't be posting the figures I asked about? I understand that this is a "dead issue" because it has been passed by the board. I just disagree with your "better logic" that uses auction funds and other monies to subsidize only American subscriptions while at the same time surcharging almost all international members. I am sorry to hear that it is your opinion that if I don't like the policy that I should leave the society. I am sure there are many people over the years that have taken opinions such as yours to heart and have left. Maybe I will leave one day too. Dan======================================
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Almsbox - Ben has never asked for a handout, he only asked for fairness.
 I have been perfectly clear on the subject and I think it is a shame that you
can't accept a dues increase that was appropriately developed.  All you are
trying to do is keep pushing a dead issue.  The dues increase was
appropriate. It was passed by the board at a meeting designated for the
purpose after having been announced six months in advance and open debate.
It was developed with better logic than any local society develops its dues.
 In my opinion, if you don't like it leave the society!

Kevin P. Walek

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