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Re: Hosta 'Cathy's Clown'

  • Subject: Re: Hosta 'Cathy's Clown'
  • From: michael shelton <wilddog_202@yahoo.com>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:10:30 -0700 (PDT)

Chick i couldn't agree with you more and thats no
bullshit. Rod raises an age old question that
originates with the collectors. When should a plant be
registered or introduced. It can only rest with
register not the registrar and there is no
The registrar registers any plant that is unique and
can't do much more or less. Although there is some
control. The rregistrar'sjob is not to judge garden
worthiness, etc. and would you want him to.
I have a sport of 'Blue Angel' with a wide pale
blue-green center and dark blue edge. I call it
'Patsy'. Now I can register that plant anytime I want
unless there is a plant with that name and if it meets
the nomenclature rules. Since I have it and it exist
in the real world the registrar wants it registered so
that it is known to science not because you should buy

--- Chick <chick@bridgewoodgardens.com> wrote:
>  I appreciate you're agreeing with me, but I think
> you're agreeing with
> something I didn't say, because I don't think it's
> up to anyone except
> the introducer to decide if and when to introduce a
> plant. . 
> Chick
> Rod Kuenster wrote:
>   Hi Chick and all, I will have to totally agree
> with you on this Chick. There
>   needs to be a much better way to go about naming
> and registering hosta. I
>   believe that is why there are so many hosta
> introduced that are not ready to
>   be. We need to grow these plants to full size
> before they are introduce.
>   Maybe there could be a three step program, first
> you could submit the name,
>   then the information about the plant and introduce
> it after full grow? I am
>   not sure of how to get this done, but I think that
> the AHS needs to change
>   things to make this process help the public out
> that is going to buy these
>   plants, and want to know as much about them as
> possible. Just my 2 cents
>   worth. Rod Kuenster
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Chick [  mailto:chick@bridgewoodgardens.com 
> ]
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:28 AM
>   To:   hosta-open@hort.net  Subject: Re: Hosta
> 'Cathy's Clown'
>   Ok, you got me started anyway.
>   It is my understanding that the name 'Cathy's
> Clown' becomes official 
>   when it is registered or when it is published and
> the plant is described 
>   in a printed catalog.  This last may have been
> changed, but if so, I 
>   don't know about it.
>   I suggested long ago that there be a system for
> name reservation, as 
>   there is for daylily registrations (or at least
> there was when I was a 
>   member of that society long ago).  There process
> had limits and 
>   restrictions and seemed relatively simple to me. 
> If the plant was not 
>   introduced within a limited time, the reservation
> was void.  I know that 
>   some will say that this will lead to all the good
> names being reserved, 
>   and I can only respond that it seems to me that
> this is already 
>   happening, except that people now have to find a
> plant to register in 
>   order to get the name.  There seems to be a
> competition to get the first 
>   and last hosta names, and if you register a plant
> named 'Aaaaaaaaaaaah', 
>   I will just have to find a plant to name
> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah' so I can 
>   be the first listed until you find something to
> name 
>   Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah'.  What's the
> limit, 35 letters?
>   I give my plants names long before I decide to
> introduce them, simply 
>   because it is easier for me to remember 'Cathy's
> Clown' than "980205" or 
>   some such nonsense.  If other people see the plant
> among my seedlings, 
>   there is no way they will remember a number.  If,
> as has happened in 
>   many cases, someone else registers the name before
> I am ready to do 
>   anything with the plant that's just my hard luck
> and I have to think of 
>   another name. Some obviously disagree with me, but
> I don't think that 
>   selection, naming, and registration should
> necessarily all happen at the 
>   same time.  'Cathy's Clown' has been named for
> several years, the plant 
>   was shown at First Look 3 years ago.  But it just
> is not time to 
>   introduce or register the plant.  I can come up
> with another name if I 
>   have to.  The point is that this plant should be
> under my control until 
>   I say it's time to distribute it.  I have never
> sold the plant to anyone 
>   and have never authorized anyone else to sell it. 
>   I want to emphasize again that I am not faulting
> Hilltop for selling the 
>   plant.  But just because it was done unknowingly,
> doesn't mean that it 
>   can go any farther.  There is really no way to
> stop anyone from doing 
>   whatever they want, but as far as I'm concerned
> the plant that was sold 
>   is not my 'Cathy's Clown' unless I say so, and if
> it is sold under that 
>   name again, I'll just have to find another name
> for the real plant.  And 
>   I will not do so quietly.
>   Chick
>   Richard Jolly wrote:
>     But Chick, What if I want to name my "special"
> plant "Cathy's Clown"? If
>     it's not registered or patented what stops
> anyone from naming their plant
>     the same name. I wonder what lab did your
> original????????
>     Richard
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