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Re: About this "having a war" business....

  • Subject: Re: About this "having a war" business....
  • From: "Diann Thoma" <diannthoma@hotmail.com>
  • Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:41:11 -0000

Andrew, I don't mean this as a slam whatsoever, but I think you have  
trouble letting go of things. This topic is beat to death. Let's all go 
gracefully back to work and when we meet again here at Hosta-Open, let's 
enjoy each other's contributions and respect each other's ideas/opinions: 
this to everyone.

You are who you are, and you've expressed your heart- or mind-felt opinion 
in detail here over what you consider to be a grossly unfair message from 
Bob; and you expressed extensively why you believe there should be a stated 
policy on such messages.

No one has agreed with you, which also is not a slam.

Meanwhile, let it go, dude. Life's too short to hang on and on to (and thus 
continue to perpetrate) hurtful stuff of this calibur.


>From: "Andrew Lietzow" <andrewl@hostahaven.com>
>Reply-To: hosta-open@mallorn.com
>To: <hosta-open@mallorn.com>
>Subject: About this "having a war" business....
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:18:24 -0500
>Hello Bob (and the folks who comprise this eclectic group we call the
>Hosta-Open list),
>  BDeyes6@aol.com wrote:  >> I think these wars have been waged 
>And "I"  think I see how these "wars" get started.
>1) I asked a simple question regarding policy, terms and conditions and the
>like, regarding your decision to post a message recommending that we not 
>on auctions of one "Tk49" (essentially suspending his/her auctions. I
>believe the software does not support a suspension option, but I could be
>mistaken).  Apparently, you felt "just cause" existed for suspension and I
>simply asked a question regarding whether there was a written policy for
>such actions.
>2) Later, you accused me, through a mistaken identity, of being a bad eBay
>seller.  I responded with a request that you correct this public statement
>which was obviously in error (confusing me with someone else, whom I do not
>know), and you chose not to address this mistake with a simple correction.
>Something as simple as a "whoops, I made a mistake" would have sufficed.
>3) I send a note privately that recommends that discretion is the better
>part of valor, and that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
>stones, etc. but OBVIOUSLY giving you he benefit of the doubt on this
>nematode issue (read the message again--I was trying to PRIVATELY alert you
>to a possible issue and explaining that I withheld alerting you until I
>could do more research).  Then you decide to throw this private 
>into the fire, racheting up the rhetoric and passion, provoking people to
>feel they need to defend you or attack me, etc.
>(And I know I've skipped a few parts, but I hope this is a half decent,
>albeit subjective, synopsis).
>Now we have people thinking we're having some kind of a "war".  I can see
>how they might.  Instead, I would like to redirect you back to the original
>question at hand.
>"Is there a written policy, publicly available, regarding when and how
>action is taken that would cause sellers or buyers to be suspended from
>participating in the HostaLibrary.org auctions".  If you don't want to take
>the time to answer the question directly, Bob, that is your perogative.
>And, if you don't take the time to read my messages for whatever reason,
>then you'll seldom see any value in a applying reason where reason is all
>that is required.   A "yes"; a "no"; an "I have no policy and have no
>intention on working on it";  I would simply like to know because I have 
>some transactions on the HL.org auctions and want to know the procedures
>that are being followed when there is a problem.  And if there are no
>standardized procedures, then I simply need to know that, too.  I would
>encourage you to establish some if you want the process to appear fair.
>That's it. Nothing initially inflammatory at all.
>I hope Mr/Ms Tk49 surfaces soon so we can find out what is going on.  When
>one signs up to be a seller, maybe there needs to be a more rigorous 
>of getting information on just who these people are.  Legitimate excuses
>aside, if I had sent money and was getting no where with email, I would 
>to have access to a snail mail address or a phone number.  Of course, you
>can always use the same method you have this time.  It's your auction site.
>Since there is some public support, however, I imagine the policy should be
>uniformly applied so your actions are above reproach.
>Auction fraud is not a new phenomena and I regret if you think I was
>personally attacking you.  There was NEVER any intention on my part to do
>so.  I'm simply asking a straight forward question about written policy.  I
>hardly think that one could construe that type of a request as grounds for
>"war" or a "showdown at the OK Corral".
>Hey everyone, have fun at First Look!
>Andrew Lietzow
>#1 Plantsman at http://HostaHaven.com
>1250 41st Street
>Des Moines, IA 50311-2516
>eBay Search: <Hosta HH>
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