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Re: Seedlings & other theories

Between you and Ron Livingston I am getting some great information more than 
I expected.  I also have a 4 shelf stand that I built, using 40 watt bulbs. 
My plants are not in the basement but I do have foil in the back against the 
wall and clear plastic in the front without vents.  I have not transplanted any
plants yet, a few are crowded. The soil is about 2" deep, maybe its time to 
transplant and like you say abuse the plants to stimulate them. As I have not
transplanted any yet.  They are not really crowded, where leaves are completely
shadowing each other, many are touching.  

Nice photo of your plant stand and hostas. You are right, lots of plants, 6-7 
months growth and they are large. I am a member of the AHS, hav been for about 
5 years. I am in Crossville, TN - - centrally located between Knoxville and 
Nashville, TN. I was not able to attend the hosta college, I really wanted
to but
my work kept me traveling. My wife and I are planning to attend but it also
on work. 

I have two unique plants, can't remember whether it was from last year or the 
year before. They are very similar to Evelyn MCCafferty but with a line around 
the edge of the leaves but not all leaves -  that is chartreuse color.

I really appreciate all the help, I know I have lots of questions.


At 03:12 PM 3/20/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/20/99 1:18:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, lako731@usit.net
><< I am using 
> 4 lights per shelf, temperature is averaging 72-74.  I am keeping the covers
> on to increase warmth.You didn't mention what brand of fertilizer you are
> using?  
> >>
>well you have the heat......i dont know why you need the covers to maintain
>heat with all those lights......do you have more than one shelf???  my plant
>stand is 4 shelves high.....so they get warmer and warmer as you go up the
>light stand....all but the shelf on the floor have a bank of 4 lights directly
>below the shelf ....are yours in the damp, cool basement????  if so, i have a
>friend who surrounded his plant stand on 3 sides with relective/foiled
>cardboard...increased light and temp....the front he drapped with some clear
>plastic so he can see in......and sliced it vertically every 8 inches or so,
>so he could reach in & out.....the only caveat is that you need it to be
>designed poorly enough so that there is sufficient airflow in there.....
>my seeds are started in flats, with just waxpaper on them long enough to get
>germination...i do use a heating mat [72 F]...they sprout in 4 to 10
>days....the paper is taken off immediately....i think it forces them to grow
>roots down into the soil instead of up to the waxpapaer.....
>the fert is kmart version of miracle grow...in my mind 15-30-15 is the same
>regardless of price......and the 25 pound bucket is going on 7 years
>old.....go figure....i see no reason to add any other type of chemicals or
>witches brews to stimulate root growth or anything else....in fact i am trying
>to figure out how to slow them down....last year i started them in mid-
>october....this year in late november...i am still running out of space, with
>2 months to go before i am frost free.....i guess next year i may wait until
>mid january....
>i use plain old cheapo shop lights, but i have started changing them at the
>beginning of each year....meaning when i planted the seeds....someone sugested
>that lights can lose effectiveness....i get boxes of 10 for some ungodly sheap
>price of under 10 bucks at home depot...you have to look hard because they
>really push those 2 for 3 dollar packages.....standard 40 watt shop lamps.....
>once again, maybe barb hit it on the head with too much fert....
>there is only one other thing that i do....besides follow the elslager/stygall
>protocol....and that is potting & repotting.....at the 4 leave stage the good
>seedlings get torn from the soil, shaked vigorously, then potted into 5 oz
>plastic solo cups.....about 45 days later, if vigorous enough, and roots are
>poking thru the drilled holes, they are again abused, shaken of all soil and
>potted into 8 oz cups.....the 45 days later the same into 16 oz cups......
>i am sure someone can refer an address for you to ed...he taught a class at
>the hosta college....thats where it all started for me.....
>it is suggested that the 'abusing' may stimulate growth...maybe it  releases
>growth hormones....maybe its the fresh soil....maybe, well, who really
>knows????  but it does work
>i also seem to recall, most likely from the same source, that wind stimulates
>them also....that is to say....a fan helps in some way...unfortunately today i
>cant remember why.....someone, besides myself also, for lack of a better term,
>pets their seedlings.....just run your hand across them, back & forth a few
>times....its another version of abuse....lol.....i mean stimulation....lol
>so where do we go from here???
>why are your still in those tiny greenhouses???  how deep is the soil???
>maybe its time for culling & some fresh soil.....
>if i can find it on my harddrive, i will privately send you a picture of the
>plant stand.....
>ken, of a thousand seedlings....lol
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