Re: election - delete if not interested
Been emptying out seed pods tonight and that has been a lot of fun.
Fortunately, there is no need to get into major production efforts, or
I'd have to come up a better method. It's much too tedious.
Have you heard from Pete lately? You guys going to the WSM?
Now about this old news on Clinton and those White House shenanigans....
Joe Haber compared the atrocities of Nixon to Clinton, claiming Clinton
makes Nixon look like a saint. This is like comparing murder to sex
and saying the crime is equal. When Nixon lied to the American people,
i.e. he told us that we were not bombing Cambodia when in fact were.
Four people ended up being killed on the campus of Kent State because of
that lie. When the DNC office at the Watergate Hotel
was broken into, Nixon had full knowledge. Four (?) people were convicted
and served time over that deal. We discovered later that tapes
were being hidden, and we had been lied to for months on end.
Beyond the sex thing with President Clinton, I am curious --what accusations
have been made that held water? I don't know of any myself,
yet for someone to think that compared to the Clintons, "Nixon is a Saint"--I
need help finding more dirt on the Clinton's. My study of the facts
turned up nothing even remotely comparable.
Secondly, Beth commented on the state of the movie industry. I suggest
turning the tube off, or just don't go to the movies. There IS a
lot of trash on the tube. Some of the worst is the evening news stories
and the horrifying fact is that mankind has been a mess since we were first
created. However, if she believes that you're going to legislate
morality, forget it. I'm not interested in most censorship plans
and here is why. Prohibition didn't work. And the groups like
the Teleban, that have women dress in outfits that cover all but one eye,
get way too carried away in their efforts to ensure proper female conduct.
They have them put curtains over the windows, and they can't hold professional
positions.... I'd much rather have our freedoms and then allow the parents
to be more in control than to have the government block what we can watch.
In another life, I had a brother- and sister-in-law who got up and walked
out of "Home Alone", which they had taken their children to see years ago.
I had some friends that got up and walked out of the movie "The Piano"
which my wife and I found very compelling. And that's
how I like my censorship to occur. If you don't like it,
then leave, but if the subject material is not gruesome, I'd rather
have the freedom than to have some bureaucrat somewhere telling me what
I can or cannot wathc. Big Brother go away....
I know people will be debating this for decades into the future, if
not centuries, but had President Clinton stepped down, he would have nullified
an election. To be sure, I don't agree with his actions, but like
I stated before, let's go up on Capital Hill and start grilling every one
on their past. Just because he got caught doesn't make him
the only offender. Hell, one of the greatest Statesmen of all
time, and a major contributor to the Constitution and to the beginning
of this nation, was committing adultery for years, yet seemed to be functioning
fairly well as a leader. It's not the high road, I know,
but to compare the serious lies of Nixon to the antics of our current President,
is reducing the sublime to the ridiculous. (I know you didn't do
this Ran but YOU did say something about some folks not thinking.... ).
Since I respect you and your opinions, Ran, especially regarding those
Hostas, help me out a little bit. What was this terrible
lie was that Clinton told? Was it the "I'm not having sex with
that woman" statement, or just what was it, because I really don't
recall. However, I remember the day when four people were killed
on the Campus of Kent State like it was yesterday. The National Guard
had the exits blocked off at the interstate and a nation soon discovered
that we had been duped into believing this story about Cambodia and that
President's lie even when it is not in the national interest.
It's an old wound and I shouldn't even open it up, but when you
say things like "for those of us who can actually think", it makes me want
to refresh your memory about what a serious infraction by a President actually
BTW, does anyone know what happened in the Linda Tripp wire taping case?
Was she found innocent or guilty?
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