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Re: election - delete if not interested - For Joe H.

It looks like the political discussion is slowing down a bit, so I 
will add a few words here and see what happens. The last digest came 
in truncated after the first few messages, so I didn't get any of 
Andrew's responses to me.  So far we have not entered a real crisis 
state yet, but I see that as a very good possibility after listening 
to those old geezers on the Florida Supreme Court.  It's clear they 
are setting it up for Gore to steal the election.  With Democrats 
controling the recount and with guildlines so lax and flexable it's 
going to be difficult to see how Gore won't come up with the votes he 
needs.  If Gore can come up with enough votes in 4 Democratic strong 
counties selectively chosen for manual recount, then I can see 
Congress challanging Florida's electors on Jan 6 when the votes are 
counted because not all the counties were manually recounted.  
Consider that plus the the fact that the Gore people are hardly 
manking any attempt to really hide the fact that their intention is to 
steal the election, as witnessed by their illegal throwing away of 
1500 military ballots, plus all the irregularities that are going on 
and Congress can easily justify throwing out the Florida electors if 
Gore wins and turn the election over to the Congress.  


>The greatness of the United states has been shaped by the tug and 
>pull of our two political parties and the base upon which this 
>country was founded and has been held together.

That is true, but the question that remains to be answered is, will it 
stay that way.  If you remember any recent world history Communists 
would use the legal democratic prosses to get elected and then refuse 
to leave power once their term was up.  The reason Gore is so hell 
bent on stealing this election is that if Bush is president then this 
will be the first time since 1953 that the Republicans have controlled 
the House, the Senate and the Presidency.  Democrats have a lust for 
power and, as Gore is showing us, they really don't care how they get 
it.  Democrats are only interested in themselves doing all the tugging 
and pulling.

I'm always amazed at how liberals fail to see what the Clinton 
impeachment was all about.  I know a lot of good, decent people who 
are liberals who are quite bright and responsible people, but they 
will not admit to what really happened.  I think it centers around the 
fact that liberals don't believe in individual responsibility.  It's 
always someone elses fault.  


>If you want factual news, I recommend C-Span and NPR.

Now you are really identifying yourself as a true liberal.  You can't 
get much more liberal socialist as NPR.  They are just about as bad a 
Hanoi Jane.  Their reporting is so biased that I hardly see how it can 
be called reporting.  Some of their reports are educational, but they 
are educational only from the liberal point of view.  They are always 
knocking down and ridiculing conservative ideas while playing up the 
feel good aspects of liberalism.  Now, if you really want to get as 
good as perspective as possible about political issues I suggest you 
listen to Rush Limbaugh.  

>all as a direct result of the Reagan "supply side economics" plan.  
>Our country slid into one of the most pronounced economic recessions 
>since the great depression,

I'm always amazed at how liberals can be so selective in what they use 
to support their own point of view and then demonstrate that they 
really don't know what they are talking about.  First of all, 
presidents don't really have as much influence on the economy as we 
like to think.  The way I remember it, Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, was 
president before Regean became president.  Do you remember Carter's 18 
percent INFLATION!  It was Carter's inactivity and his 18% inflation 
that caused the bad economy.  Within a few years Regean had inflation 
down to a resonable level and by the time he left office it was even 
lower.  It was Regean's tax cut that stimulated the economy that 
Clinton-Gore took credit for.  And the next president, be it Bush or 
Gore, will inherit a declining economy.

>I heard Rush Limbaugh....(that shows how bigotted he has become while 
>still attempting to convince us that he retains objectivity and a
>modicum of intelligence)

You obviously don't listen to Rush.  Maybe you have the radio turned 
on to his show, but that isn't the same as listening.  I don't always 
agree with Rush, and I think he figured out that he can easily get way 
off base on scientific stuff, but when it comes to understanding 
politics and the forces that shape politics, there aren't too many 
that have the insight that he does.  Liberals have a visceral hatred 
for Rush because he exposes them for what they really are.  You have 
to understand that liberals want power because liberals believe in 
collectivism while conservatives believe in individual responsibility. 
Liberals want government to take care of them while conservatives want 
to take care of themsleves.  Like Gore said "I'll do anything to be 
president" and is he ever showing us what he meant by that!

Joe Halinar

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