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Re: I will keep it simple


> 
> Glen Williams wrote:
> >
> >   I will keep this simple and brief. There has been fuzzy talk of freedom
> > of expression and censorship. The are no real  topics which are prohibited
> > on the AHS Robin  except pornograpghy  and personal attacks  on individuals
> > in open postings. What happens on the e-mail underground  is our own
> > business. Unless there have been messages I have missed,  Carolyn and the
> > committee  have not attempted to stop any discussion about politics or
> > policies. They have attempted to control the matter in which these
> > discussions are carried out  when they have gotten personel.
> >    If I had  referred to  Steve Chamberlain, Ben Zooneveld, and
> > C.H.Falstadt, as Jim Hawes did I would have expected at least a warning
> > from the committee .I read and understood what was said. Had any of those
> > postings been written about me publically I would have felt that someone
> > simply wanted to start a fight.
> >    As far as I can tell  the restraints we have on the AHS Robin are ones
> > of taste  and civil behavior amongst ourselves.Without these it is truly
> > anarchy. It is certainly no sin to have strong opinons on issues and
> > policies and to express them  with both thought and passion. But,  no
> > matter how  they are couched,  personel attacks on a public forum will lead
> > very quickly to killing the spirit  of the robin for those that find joy
> > and pleasure in the simple discussion of hostas.
> >
> > Glen Williams Zone 5a   Springfield , Vermont.
> 
> Glen,
> I have always enjoyed your post. You have a way with words like few
> other people. I don't know what you do for a living but in my opinion
> you could make living writing. You are good!
> I do wish that you could "look at the other side" for a moment. Let's
> just say that you have been reprimanded for something you said on the
> robin. A "secret" committee has deemed your words to be offensive. No
> names, no discussion, the end. Would you not expect at least a civil and
> straightforward explanation? Don't you think you should know who has
> filed the complaint? Would you just quit and give up or might you want
> to pursue the issue because it was of importance to you.
> I don't like all this bickering either, much of it I just delete without
> reading it. Some of it I have to laugh at and respond accordingly. I
> belong to several "robins" myself and have never heard of a secret group
> unilaterally passing judgement on an individual without some sort of Due
> Process. There have been things said on the robin that I feel have been
> inappropriate at the least but I also feel that the worst thing about
> this robin is the "secret police" who pass judgement on others.
> You mentioned that there are "no real topics which are prohibited on the
> AHS Robin except pornography and personal attacks on individuals in open
> postings. This is not true, if in fact a secret group will make this
> determination. All this "secrecy" is of more problem on this robin then
> the insults. How much of these types of discussion are a result of the
> actions of a secret few? My latest thought is who or what kind of person
> would want to be on a secret committee that passes judgement on others
> and then delivers the penalty in secret? In school we sometimes had to
> debate issues and support a position that we didn't really believe in.
> Glen, I would love to hear/see your eloquent words tell us about the
> evils of secret groups.
> Respectfully,
> Stuart Asch
> Clawson, Michigan
> Zone 5 a,b,c,d,e......
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