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Re: New member

Hi Sandy,

When we moved house all my plants had to be accommodated in the shed, it was
a tight squeeze, only two didn't survive. Somehow Flaming Katie was pushed
to the back and I could only see the top of the pot to water it, but when I
was taking them out I noticed it had seed heads so I decided to pot them on
and see what happened. That's the story of the plant, hybridising is not
really something I would consider on a regular basis. My Spot on Bonanza
sport keeps reverting back, it's not unlike its parent either, the
difference being is that it has spotted top petals and clear white lower
ones, whereas the original is all spotted, I think Spot on Bonanza is a very
nice plant to look at and it grows well too. I will keep you updated about
Flaming Katie's seedling, I'm sure Gwen wouldn't mind sending you any photos
I take of it. I will certainly try and find out about those hybridisers for

Hello again Caroline, I live to far away to send you cuttings, but if any of
my regals ever have seeds I will let you know. The regals I have at the
moment are Hazel Stardust, Spot on Bonanza, Tyabb Princess, Ropely's
Bonanza, Pompei and Askham Fringed Aztec; the others are decorative regals,
Lord Bute, Marquis of Bute, (variegated Lord Bute) and Australian Mystery. I
like most pelargoniums with the exception of the tulip flowered but I tend
to like all the rest of them, I think they are very fascinating and some of
the scented ones just smell delicious!


-----Original Message-----
Sent: 04 July 2005 02:11
Subject: Re: New member

Hi Aileen,

Yes, it was the trip of a lifetime!  I love Scotland but it has been almost
25 years since I visited.

Am very anxious to hear about your Flaming Katie seedling as it progresses.
Are you going to have a go at hybridizing?  P&J Greenhouses in Canada lists
Flaming Katie was one of the O'Shea plants.  I know nothing at all about
this hybridizer and if you find out anything would love to know.  Also, the
hybridizer Sheehan who introduced the stellar Fallen Angel and the formosum
Something Else in Vernon's catalog.  I love finding out about the
hybridizers of these wonderful plants.  Perhaps someone in the UK will write


Aileen Wallace <aileen@PLANTPOT.FSLIFE.CO.UK> wrote:
Hi Sandy,

Thanks for the information; I will look up the site.

I am Gwen's friend, it was Gwen that got me using the computer, I'm glad I
did as I would never have seen all the lovely pels on different web sites
and not forgetting the fuchsias too.

I wish I had been on the same travels as you two, visiting almost every
pelargonium nursery in England must have been great fun, and not forgetting
the breeders, we don't have any pelargonium nurseries in Scotland.

The nearest you came to where I live was about 250 miles, one day you must
visit Scotland, you will be amazed at how beautiful it is.

Did Gwen tell you about our seedling trials? Only one of mine survived, its
buds are not fully open yet but it looks as if it might have the same
colouring as one of its parent's (Flaming Katie) but a waxier and slightly
larger darker leaf, it is a miniature in size and very bushy I don't know
the parentage of Flaming Katie so I can't compare it with anything else.


-----Original Message-----
Sent: 03 July 2005 17:28
Subject: Re: New member

Hi Aileen,

They are totally different members of the family and to my knowledge do not
breed. Even some members of the pelargonium section will not cross because
of different chromosome numbers and sizes. There are some articles on The
Pellie Breeder 2 website that you might find interesting.

By the way, are you Gwen's friend? I just visited her last month.


Aileen Wallace wrote:
Hi Sandy,
If the pelargoniums and geraniums are all members of the geraniaceae family
does this mean they are related and can be cross bred? I thought both were
totally different and not related.

Welcome to the group Caroline.

Best Wishes
Aileen (Perth Scotland)

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 03 July 2005 03:43
Subject: Re: New member

Hi Caroline,

Welcome to the group and congratulation on greenhouse space! Geraniums are
hardy members of the Geraniaceae family, for growing outdoors. Pelargoniums
are the tender members and would not survive your winters. Pelargoniums
have been commonly called geraniums and so the confusion. There are several
good books available, one that covers most things very, very well is
Geraniums, The Complete Encyclopedia, by Faye Brawner. It will answer lots
of your questions and has many photos.

Regarding sources, mail order is pretty much it unless you live near a club
that shares cuttings. New Leaf Nurseries (California) has an availability
list, Holt Geraniums has both an availability list and a grown to order type
catalog. P&J Greenhouses grows to order. The last two are in Canada and
shipping to the US is not a problem. Geranium Alley is in Washington state
and also grows to order.

If your were up to a trip to California in the fall, we are having an event
called Pelargonium Madness with several of the biggest sellers and their
plants. One who does not do mail order will be there with some old regal
cultivars. It is an all day event with 5 short talks and a time to buy,
sell or trade a few healthy and choice plants or cuttings. If you are
interested, I can send you the information or it will be out in the Summer
Geraniums Around The World journal.

The International Geranium Society also has a seed center for members and
you might be interested.

So glad you love the plants and hope you can spread the word.

Again, welcome.

Sandy Connerley

Larry Cottingham wrote:
Hello, I am a new member and just learning how to use this listserve. So if
I do something wrong please let me know and I will correct it.
My name is Caroline Cottingham and I live in Edmond, Ok, USA and since we
have ponds and koi thus my nickname, "koipondgal". I am also a certified
Master Gardener and I am in the process of rebuilding my greenhouse. I
asked my husband to re-roof my old one and could he possibly bump that wall
out a little? Wow, did he bump it out; I will now have room for all the
wonderful experimentations I have been wanting to do, not to mention the
space needed to overwinter all the tropicals from the ponds. Our weather
here in Oklahoma is pretty cold sometimes down in the negative teens.
This is my background to give you a little insight to where I am right
now.... in love with Pelargonium, geraniums etc. My only problem is getting
my hands on cuttings, seeds, or even plants of some of the more unusual
.....sometimes even the common pelargonium. I have been on a hunt for
Regals in any form (seeds, cuttings, or plants). Does anyone in this
message forum know of a place to order them? Help!
Pelargonium are new to me and I have been reading all I can get my hands
on. I have grown geraniums most of my life and have yet to know for sure if
a geranium is a pelargonium and visa versa. As you can see, I need help in
beginning my voyage into the Pelargonium world. Thanks for any information
you can share with me!

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