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Re: [IGSROBIN] where did they all come from?

  • To: IGSROBIN@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
  • Subject: Re: [IGSROBIN] where did they all come from?
  • From: Alby Scriven <SCRIVENS@BIGPOND.COM>
  • Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:25:03 +1000
  • Comments: RFC822 error: <W> Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored.

Cynthia if you want the Complete list of Pelargonium species (and all the
Geraniaceae for that matter ) you should obtain a copy of the Geraniaceae
Group Check Lists.
For detailed info and drawings get hold of Pelargoniums of South Africa
Vols. 1-3 by Vorster and de Walt the acknowledged world experts in
Pelargonium.
My web site lists them all without descriptions ( including division into
sub-genera) but you will find several hundred (about 600 ) photoes .
I have all ways invited interested persons to contact me if they wish to
obtain my detailed notes on any species.
Regards Alby
Geraniaceae Is All Around The World
www.users.bigpond.com/SCRIVENS/

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> From: Cynthia Pardoe <RegalArt@AOL.COM>
> To: IGSROBIN@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: where did they all come from?
> Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 6:00 PM
>
> Andrew & Robin,=20
> =09Here is a condensed Pelargonium species List. This will not
overwhelm=20
> you! In fact most of these are species that are easier to work with.
The=20
> information here is based on a Lecture done by Dr. James (Jim) Sefton
last=20
> year. I needed to get the data into my computer anyway so here it is:
> =09My miscellaneous page is like a time line that gives a historical=20
> overview  on Plants. I welcome anyone to build off from where I started
and=20
> add their own knowledgeable information on the subject.
> =09 Like the Swedish Botanist that started plant classification, set
up=20
> organization in groups of character???Was that Lenayus? Date?
> Then there is his student Carl Tungberg ? who looked for the
pelargoniums=20
> with Frances Mason in South Africa. Dates???
> =09So....=20
>
ready???********************************************************************
=
> *
>
> =09Pelargoniums: Approximate Chronology of discovery  of  certain
> =09=09=09=09    South African Species, with a generalized=20
> location=20
> Date=09=09Species=09=09     Locations
> 1632=09=09P.triste=09=09          Western Cape, near coast
> 1672=09=09P.cucullatum  =09     Coastal southwest cape near Capetown
> 1690=09=09P.capitatum=09           Entire coast from Capetown to=20
> Zululand
> 1693=09=09P.alchemilloides=09Entire coast, eastward from Capetown
> 1700=09=09P.peltatum=09=09     South and East Cape, coastal
> 1710=09=09P.zonale=09=09     South and East Cape, coastal,=20
> Southwest
> =09=09=09=09=09                  Cape interior
> 1710=09=09P.fulgidum=09=09      Western Cape, coastal
> 1712=09=09P.gibbosum=09=09      Western Cape, coastal
> 1714=09=09P.inquinans=09            Southeast Cape, coast & interior,=20
> Port=20
> =09=09=09=09=09                  Elizabeth to Umtata
> 1724=09=09P.acetosum=09=09      Eastern Cape, coast &=20
> interior,Port Eliza-
> =09=09=09=09=09                  beth to Steynsburg
> 1724=09=09P.odoratissimum=09Southern Cape, coastal
> 1724=09=09P.vitifolium=09            Southwest Cape, coastal & interior
> 1724=09=09P.papilionaceum=09Southwest & South Cape
> 1763=09=09P.tabulare=09=09      Southwest Cape interior,=20
> VanRhynsdorp to
> =09=09=09=09=09                  Uniondale
> 1767=09=09P.crispum=09=09      Southwest Cape, Worcester,=20
> Bredasdorp
> 1768=09=09P.hirtum=09=09      West Cape coastal, Capetown to=20
> St. Helena
> =09=09=09=09=09                   Bay
> 1770=09=09P.appendiculatum     Western Cape, Leipoldtville
> 1772=09=09P. sidoides=09=09       Widespread Eastern Cape; also=20
> Orange Free
> =09=09=09=09=09                   State/Transvaal
> 1774=09=09P.tetragonum=09       Southern Cape ISland, Caledon to=20
> =09=09=09=09=09                   Grahamstown
> 1774=09=09P.radens=09=09       Southern & Eastern cape,=20
> behind coast
> 1774 =09      P.cordifolium=09       South& East Cape, Bredasdorp to King
> =09=09=09=09=09                     William=92s Town
> 1775=09=09P.glaucum=09=09       Southwest Cape interior,=20
> Worcestor only
> =09     (now P.lanceolatum)
> 1775=09=09P.scabrum=09=09       Southern & Western Cape,=20
> widespread
> 1786=09=09P.betulinum=09             Southwest & South Cape, very=20
> close to coast
> 1786 =09      P.ceratophyllym=09       S.W.A./ Namibia, mouth of Orange
Rive=
> r
> 1786=09=09P.cortusifolium=09       S.W.A./ Namibia, mouth of Orange River
> 1786=09=09P.crassicaule=09       S.W.A./ Namibia, mouth of Orange River
> 1787=09=09P.minimum=09             Cape of Good Hope,but also=20
> widespread=20
> =09=09=09=09=09                     throughout Africa
> 1788=09=09P.rapaceum=09=09       Southwest Cape, interior
> 1789=09=09P.denticulatum=09       South Cape Coast, Mossel Bay
> 1789=09=09P.grossularioides=09 South and East Cape, coastal
> 1789=09=09P.quercifolium=09       South Cape, near Oudtshoorn &=20
> Willowmore
> 1789=09=09P.graveolens=09       Southeast Cape,George to Grahamstown &
> =09=09=09=09=09                   North Transvaal
> 1791=09=09P.abrotanifolium=09       Southeast Cape, also in Orange=20
> Free State
> 1791=09=09P.alternans=09=09       Southwest Cap, interior
> 1792=09=09P.longifolium=09       Southwest Cape interior, Calvinia to
> =09=09=09=09=09                   Port Elizabeth=09
> 1792=09=09P.crithmifolium=09       Richtersveld, Namaqualand
> 1792=09=09P.fragile=09=09       Southern Cape interior, near=20
> Oudtshoorn
>                   (ex-P.trifidum)
> 1793=09=09P.tricolor=09=09       Southern Cape interior, near=20
> Oudtshoorn
> =09=09      (ex-P.violareum)
> 1794=09=09P.grandiflorum=09       Southwest Cape interior
> 1794=09=09P.incrassatum=09       Western Cape, south from Sprinkbok
> 1794=09=09P.tomentosum=09       Southwest cape,Riversdale to Bredasdorp
> 1795=09=09P.echinatum=09       Western Cape, Namaqualand, =20
> Clanwilliam=20
> =09=09=09=09=09                   to Richtersveld
> 1795=09=09P.pulchellum=09       Namaqualand, around Bitterfontein
> 1797=09=09P.paniculatum=09       S.W.A./Namibia:mouth of Orange River
> 1800=09=09P.fruticosum=09       Southern cape, Ladismith to Willowmore
> 1800=09=09P.reniforme=09=09       Eastern cape, coastal, Knysna=20
> to Umtata
> 1801=09=09P.praemorsum=09       Namaqualand, Richtersvald south to =09
> =09=09=09=09                         VanRhynsdorp
> 1805=09=09P.luridum=09=09      Eastern Cape: also=20
> Transvaal,Natal, &=20
> =09=09=09=09=09                   Orange Free State
> 1810=09=09P.dolomiticum=09      Far northern interior, near Kuruman
> 1813=09=09P.dichondrifolium     Eastern cape, Middelburg, Somerset East
> 1814=09=09P.oblongatum=09      Northern Namaqualand, Richtersveld
> 1821      =09P.schizopetalum     Eastern Cape, Transkei: Port Elizabeth
to
> =09=09=09=09=09                  Butterworth
> 1822=09=09P.pulverulentum=09=09  Eastern Cape, Transkei: also Natal
> 1824=09=09P.laxum=09=09=09  Dry areas of cental cape, near
> =09=09=09=09=09=09             Middelburg
> 1826=09=09P.candicans=09=09  Southwest Cape interior
> 1830=09=09P.dasphyllum=09=09  Northern Namaqualand
> 1835=09=09P.antidysentericum=09  Northern Namaqualand, near =09
> =09=09=09=09=09=09              Springbok
> 1835=09=09P.iocastum=09=09=09  Southwest Cape, interior
> 1841=09=09P.ionidiflorum=09=09  Eastern Cape interior, Cradock, and
> =09=09=09=09=09=09              Fort Beaufort
> 1860=09=09P.crassipes=09=09=09  Southern Namaqualand, =09
> =09
> =09=09=09=09=09=09              VanRhynsdorp to=20
> Clanwilliam
> 1866=09=09P.exhibens=09=09=09   Eastern Cape, interior,=20
> Middelburg
> 1877=09=09P. barklyi=09=09=09   Namaqualand, south of=20
> Springbok
> 1890=09=09P.transvaalense       =09   Transvaal, north of Barberton
> 1897=09=09P.xerophyton=09=09   S.W.A./Namibia,Springbok, around
> =09=09=09=09=09=09               & beyond=20
> Oranjemund & Alexander
> =09=09=09=09=09=09               Bay
> 1913=09=09P.klinghardtense=09=09   S.W.A./Namibia, Klinghardt=20
> Mtns.
> 1930s=09      P.acraeum=09=09=09   Transvaal, Northeast of Pretoria
> 1934=09=09P.tenuicaule    =09=09   S.W.A./Namibia, mouth of=20
> the
> =09=09=09=09=09=09              Orange River
> 1955=09=09P.tongaense=09=09   Northeastern Natal
> 1983=09=09P.citronellum=09=09   Southern cape, George.
> 1984=09=09P. greytonense=09=09   Southwestern cape, coastal, Greyton
>
>
>
> Note:=09Most Pelargoniums species are found around the Cape area of S.=20
> Africa.=09  =09=09Unfortunately this was also the desired area at
which=20
> settlements sprung up.=09
> =09
> =09The S.W.A./Namibia, areas often would have less=09than an=09=09
> =09inch a year.
> =09The number of native species increases as you go south down the
> =09West coast and turn toward Cape Agulhas going east.
>
> =09Miscellaneous Elaboration's are welcomed!
> =09TIME LINE
>
> =09In 1630 in England, the period of expansion of plant knowledge=20
> =09was in the works. Learning about male and female parts=20
> =09and pollen allowed for the Classification of plant material to happen.
>
> =09In 1738 Johanna's Berman was the 1st person to use the term=20
> =09Pelargonium, arriving from South Africa.
> =09
> =09British take over the cape- figured out hybridizing, hot house
> =09propagation in England, (hybrids between two species, some
> =09species are know  lost 1820, 1830, known only by drawings)
> =09
> =091830 Microscope invention-allowed for botanists to see how pollenation
> =09 worked.
>
> =091850 Darwin shows relationship between plants and evolution.
>
> =0919th Century gardens cultivated regals. Lord Butte 1870s was=20
> =09popular in gardens. Thomas Jefferson planted them around
> =09 his estate.
> =09
> =09Later....
> =09Cynthia Pardoe





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