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Re: Angels

  • Subject: Re: Angels
  • From: "Laurie AE O'Meara" Laurie@LAEOM.COM
  • Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:09:53 -0400

Hi Maria - John Feltwell also mentions 'Angeline', but just that angels
started "life in the 1820's with a variety called Angeline'".  Also, I
thought regals were mostly from P. x domesticum ?  I have just ordered the
David Clark book, but haven't received it yet.


----- Original Message -----
From: "maria guzman" <mirror@3RIVERS.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Angels

> FWIW David Clark in the Kew Gardening Guide 'Pelargoniums' (1988) says
> Angels are "thought to have derived from 'Angeline', a dwarf pelargonium
> longer in cultivation.  Many of the plants included in this group were
> raised by Arthur Langley Smith.  The strain was obtained by crossing P.
> crispum with 'The Shah', an early regal pelargonium."
> Since regals themselves are somewhat obscure in ancestry, ("complex and
> speculative" is how Clark phrases it) - possibly involving P. cucullatum,
> P. grandiflorum, P.capitatum, and P. fulgidum, it sounds like anybody's
> guess.  I don't know if an attempt at DNA analysis has been done.
> Maria
> >In a message dated 10/1/02 4:38:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>Laurie@LAEOM.COM  writes:
> >
> >> The book Geraniums and Pelargoniums by John Feltwell lists
> >> Angels as a cross between P. crispum and P. grossularoides
> >>
> >Interesting! Don't know if this is true or not. I have some doubts.
> >
> >Info I have on the two species:
> >P. crispum - section  Pelargonium. Chromosomes small, 2n=22
> >P. grossularoides - section Peristera. Chromosomes small. Basic
> >number, x=19. If this species is diploid, 2n=38.
> >
> >While my list is far from complete, I haven't been able to find info on
> >species in section Peristera crossing with a species in any other
section. On
> >the other hand, some species in section Pelargonium have been crossed
> >successfully w/some species in sects: Glaucophyllum, Polyactium,
> >and possibly Cortusina (P.x blandfordianum is reportedly a cross between
> >echinatum and P. graveolens).
> >
> >I would be very interested in finding out if the info you have is indeed
> >true.
> >Take care-
> >Ed

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