There will be no reciprocal crosses. None of the four plants produced pollen. Might be weather since lack of rain was clearly affecting that, but I think not. At least this first year it was just something they didn't do. Unfortunately that isn't a characteristic I've seen change in subsequent seasons. Many OGB- type plants don't produce pollen, though some do. There are also a number of balanced amphidiploids that don't produce pollen. At least here. Looks like pods are forming on the second one to bloom and the pods on the first plant are growing large rapidly. Hopefully they contain viable seed.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, smciris@... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/16/2010 7:24:51 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> donald@... writes:
> Not quite the same as compatible chromosomes to me, but yes, involved here
> as some of my theories :), and others :>). That's always at work with the
> OGB- type seedlings. I nearly always make the TBxAB rather than ABxTB
> direction for that reason. I think it probably won't affect how the bloom appears so
> much, but might improve the 'skin' on ABs. Tough to know. Everything gets
> so diluted.
> Not the same, of course, perhaps more accurately described as related
> genetic effects. Sometimes I try too hard to restrict my posts on the list to
> less technical matters. In my own work, this type of cross was one component
> of a more comprehensive experimental program. I found that to assess the
> effects of chromosome compatibility and extra-chromosomal inheritance I had to
> take both into account.
> Chromosomal compatibility obviously comes first. Without it, there would
> be no seedlings to assess. We tend to classify chromosomes as homologous or
> non-homologous when discussing meiosis and it serves quite effectively for
> conveying the essential concepts. Delving deeper into karyotype analysis,
> interspecies hybridization, and the evolution of iris, we recognize that we
> are really dealing with a continuum. That's why I also prefer to use the term
> "compatible chromosomes" for experimental families like this.
> Now imagine that we're evaluating seedlings from one of these wide crosses
> and spot a breakthough. Sometimes, its own fertility is of primary concern.
> Sometimes, its greatest value is in what we can learn from it. If we
> suspect the incorporation of one or more partially homologous chromosomes, we
> look to sibs, half-sibs, half-cousins and sometimes even more distant
> relatives for clues. If we suspect exta-chromosomal inheritance we hope that we
> have a reciprocal cross for comparison and, if not, we look to related
> reciprocals for clues. We'll probably even analyze more pedigrees, because we want
> to improve the odds of obtaining a similar breakthrough in future crosses.
> I am especially interested in the results of your TB X AB crosses because
> this is the type I found most difficult to make.
> Sharon McAllister