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Re: Re: Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???
  • Subject: Re: Re: Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???
  • From: Eleanor Hutchison <eleanore@mymts.net>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:27:07 -0500


You're right, of course, Bob.
I tend to forget how confused I was way back when about the multiple uses of the word "dwarf".  Now, it just ripples right off my tongue. 
My favourite saying is "to know them is to grow them".
El, near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Z3

Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???


I think it is not a matter of "official" statements contradicting each other but more a matter of them sometimes being unclear or presumimg too much knowledge on the part of the reader. Also "official" definitions have changed through time. There did not exist a SDB category when the 1939 checklist was written, so all shorter irises were refered to as dwarfs. The Median website is not meant to be an official document and may be unclear. I agree that usage in many cases could be more precise. Dwarfs are used as a term in conversation referring to just MDBs and at other times as both MDBs and SDBs. If we have to proof every e-mail, comment, whatever, then little will be said. I would suggest that the website be corrected. But I think we can still allow a casual use of terms along with more official statements. What distresses me is if someone insists on a definition without learning much about what they are saying. We all miss-state things. But when one insists on a certain definition then they should do their homework. It is sad to think a judge would object to a show schedule without doing more research.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Richter" <richter@eecs.berkeley.edu>
To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:37:44 PM
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???


Righteous indignation about judicial knowledge aside,
the fact remains that "median" is used in imprecise ways
all the time. Look at El's comment that "my collection
is mainly medians and dwarfs." I know what she means,
but the official MIS description of median apparently
includes all dwarfs as well (even MDBs), so why make the distinction?
Tom Gormley lists medians as SDBs, MTBs, IBs, and BBs,
contradicting what's on the MIS web site.

What I always thought of as "median" in popular
parlance (SDB, IB, BB, and MTB) is at odds with
at least some of the "official" definitions, and
that creates confusion.


On 4/20/2011 3:05 PM, Eleanor Hutchison wrote:
> I'm a judge too. Each spring, I re-read the judges handbook, and
> sometimes again just before our local CWIS iris show. Since my
> collection is mainly medians and dwarfs, I'm still rather surprised that
> a judge would make such a comment. Maybe it was a helper.
> El
> *From:* garyslagle@comcast.net <mailto:garyslagle@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:20 PM
> *To:* iris-photos@yahoogroups.com <mailto:iris-photos@yahoogroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [iris-photos] Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???
> Sounds to me like someone has been SLEEPING through their judges
> training classes , or they are letting their personal preferences cloud
> their judgment . A huge NO NO !!!!
> Yes I am a JUDGE .
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John I Jones" <jijones@usjoneses.com <mailto:jijones@usjoneses.com>>
> To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com <mailto:iris-photos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 3:24:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???
> According to the MIS (Median Iris Society) website Medians are defined
> as ALL bearded irises Sorter than 27.5 " which would also include MDBs.
> See http://www.medianiris.com/glossary1.shtml
> Which definition is also concurrent with The World Of Irises
> classifications, pp121-178
> John
> On Apr 20, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Tom Gormley wrote:
> Hi Janet,
> An AIS Judge really ought to know better. The Median class consists of:
> SDB's
> MTB's
> IB's
> BB's
> It's possible the person in question was thinking of MDB's (dwarf)
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, AIS Janet Smith <gbyp456@gmail.com
> <mailto:gbyp456@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Fresno Iris Society had their spring show last Saturday. Small
> but considering all the weather we have had close to 100 irises
> showing is not bad. Bill Tyson's seedling won best of show, a
> nice looking pink aril (forgot if it was bred or med.)
> One of the judges said our schedule was wrong! SDBs are not
> medians and should not be classed as such.
> Now I really am confused and thought I would ask the question
> here. Are SDBs in with the IBs and BBs as a median?????
> She could not find it in the judges handbook either - I asked
> her to show me where it was so stated.
> Janet Smith
> AIS Slides
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> Tom Gormley
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> Phone & Fax-386-277-2057
> gormleygreenery@gmail.com <mailto:gormleygreenery@gmail.com>

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