I think it is not a matter of "official" statements contradicting each other
but more a matter of them sometimes being unclear or presumimg too much
knowledge on the part of the reader. Also "official" definitions have changed
through time. There did not exist a SDB category when the 1939 checklist was
written, so all shorter irises were refered to as dwarfs. The Median website is
not meant to be an official document and may be unclear. I agree that usage in
many cases could be more precise. Dwarfs are used as a term in conversation
referring to just MDBs and at other times as both MDBs and SDBs. If we have to
proof every e-mail, comment, whatever, then little will be said. I would suggest
that the website be corrected. But I think we can still allow a casual use of
terms along with more official statements. What distresses me is if someone
insists on a definition without learning much about what they are saying. We all
miss-state things. But when one insists on a certain definition then they should
do their homework. It is sad to think a judge would object to a show schedule
without doing more research.
Righteous indignation about judicial knowledge aside,
the fact remains
that "median" is used in imprecise ways
all the time. Look at El's comment
that "my collection
is mainly medians and dwarfs." I know what she
but the official MIS description of median apparently
dwarfs as well (even MDBs), so why make the distinction?
Tom Gormley lists
medians as SDBs, MTBs, IBs, and BBs,
contradicting what's on the MIS web
What I always thought of as "median" in popular
IB, BB, and MTB) is at odds with
at least some of the "official" definitions,
that creates confusion.
On 4/20/2011 3:05 PM, Eleanor
> I'm a judge too. Each spring, I re-read
the judges handbook, and
> sometimes again just before our local CWIS iris
show. Since my
> collection is mainly medians and dwarfs, I'm still rather
> a judge would make such a comment. Maybe it was a
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20, 2011 3:20 PM
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> *Subject:* Re:
[iris-photos] Standard Dwarf Bearded is not a Median???
to me like someone has been SLEEPING through their judges
classes , or they are letting their personal preferences cloud
judgment . A huge NO NO !!!!
> Yes I am a JUDGE .
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not a Median???
> According to the MIS (Median Iris Society)
website Medians are defined
> as ALL bearded irises Sorter than 27.5 "
which would also include MDBs.
> See http://www.medianiris.com/glossary1.shtml
Which definition is also concurrent with The World Of Irises
> On Apr 20, 2011, at
10:16 AM, Tom Gormley wrote:
> Hi Janet,
> An AIS
Judge really ought to know better. The Median class consists of:
> It's possible the person
in question was thinking of MDB's (dwarf)
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011
at 12:06 PM, AIS Janet Smith <firstname.lastname@example.org
> Hello all,
> Fresno Iris Society had their
spring show last Saturday. Small
> but considering all the weather we have
had close to 100 irises
> showing is not bad. Bill Tyson's seedling won
best of show, a
> nice looking pink aril (forgot if it was bred or
> One of the judges said our schedule was wrong! SDBs are
> medians and should not be classed as such.
> Now I really am
confused and thought I would ask the question
> here. Are SDBs in with the
IBs and BBs as a median?????
> She could not find it in the judges
handbook either - I asked
> her to show me where it was so stated.
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