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Re: Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing" photos

  • Subject: Re: Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing" photos
  • From: "loic tasquier" <tasquierloic@cs.com>
  • Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:41:27 +0100

Hello Margie,
i'm glad we are on the same wave length , i've also sent Mr. Millette a letter, Feb11, but he has not answered:
Thanks to worried friends, I've just discovered your multiple websites.
I have to ask you to take off from your internet sites all the photos that belong to me and that you are unduly using for commercial purposes.
If only you had told me that you intended to use my pictures this way...
It's full of disgust that i have discovered your scam.
Copy of this letter has been sent to the people who know me; i wouldn't want them to believe i'm linked to your activities in anyway.
I hope he will have the decency to answer, AND comply.
When both your pictures and mine are taken off, his site will be 90% empty, then he can replace them by his own (he's got plenty on his other site), but he will have to charge himself 75$ a piece...!
Looking forward to seeing your new pictures in the spring!!!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing" photos

At this point, I would like to make a public request to Reggie Millette that all my photos be removed from this iris link. http://www.daylily.ca/pc.asp?Language=EN&C=Iris%20A
Not out of meanness, but due to the fact that lack of authorization was overlooked - I would like all my photos removed from your website(s). Another reason is - I personally don't make my photos available for use to the public in this manner. 
Thank you. I have no hard feelings against you.  I only wish you well in all your endeavors. I admire that you wish to promote these plants.
~ Margie V.
Oro Valley, AZ.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing" photos

1.) Reggie wrote me this morning and told me where to find the credits in his book. My name IS there along with other names whose photos he used in that book. I found the credits just a few minutes ago. I looked and looked before (and looked again even before I answered John's email ), but never thought to look at the small print on the first page.  Instead I was looking for the credits under the section REMERCIEMENTS;  or next to the photos themselves; or in the index along side the written name of the iris (those places where many writers would list credits). I just wanted to point out that credits were listed in his book.
2.) I understand that some of you gave your permission for your photos to be placed on his website, but I did not. I was indeed surprised to see my photos there. (I have a folder where I save e-mails from those I've given permission to use certain photos for books, articles, etc) Reggie, did mention to me that he may not have remembered correctly - - due to all those who DID give him permission. He also wrote that eventually "updating the site was getting to much. So the site was not updated accordingly".
His e-mail was direct yet friendly. I'm awaiting an answer for what my Louisiana Iris (high resolution) photos will be used for.
It sounds as if each of our experiences with Reggie has been different. Understanding what goes on "behind the scenes" we may never fully know. But, since I met him back in 06, and my husband and I talked with him in length - I can say that I know he has a love for photography, for irises (daylilies and hostas too), and a desire to promote these 3 species.
~ Margie V.
Oro Valley, AZ.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing" photos

The photos on the display site are not listed for sale, just the ones
on the <http://www.millettephotomedia.com> site.

A lot of people when posting or at some time indicate that people are
free to use the photos, so in many cases permission was inadvertently
given. But, on the display site, with the iris photos, almost all of
them are photos posted to iris-photos. Very few, actually almost none,
are from Reggie Millette or from anywhere else. Yet if you go to his
for sale list, there are hundreds of his photos of iris. The question
then is , why? Why not post web sized photos of iris from ones he
took, why just "borowed" photos from other people.

Also , he has hundreds of photos of iris "borowed " from iris-photos,
but he never posted a photo in return on iris-photos. He has them,
could have shared with others, given back, just not taking as he has.
So he is taking generously, but not returning. So basically using the
list for his own purposes, but not giving anything back. Not what I
would consider good group courtesy.

Even on giving permission to use photos, in a general sense, it is not
the same thing as giving permission to building a photo site based
entirely (almost 100%) of others photos. For this particular type of
usage, it should be considered common courtesy to tell people what
their photos are being used for, and direct them to site to see how
they are be
ing used, particularly when you are using a large number of
someone's pictures.

Margie, my experience with giving him pictures is quite different. I
generously sent a large number of high end photos and gave him
permission to use these. He would keep comming back to me and asking
for more. I complied for awhile, but eventually stopped and asked
"What's in it for me" I don't know if he used photos I sent, but he
didn't send me a copy of the book and wasn't very appreciative of the
work. I say work. I'm on dial up, and at times it is very unreliable.
So raw camera photos are too big to send, so they have to be preped,
inculding resizing. After preping , they are still large, and it takes
some time to send over a dial up connection. They have to be sent one
at a time, ans sometimes resent, as they don't go through. So about 30
minutes or better of my time per photo. These requests were comming
during summer when I was working in my garden. Here in my northern
garden I loose a lot of plants, and the ones that survive, just don't
put out increases as well. So I need to work hard and long to get
garden to pay for itself and equipment. So my time is valuable, and
there seemed to be no end of his requests, or respect of the time he
was asking of me. Actually it was more of a demand, as he was upset
that I stopped sending photos.

So, he was angry at m
e for not continuing to send photos on demand. And
then you may have seen his comment about my not being co-operative with
him. That was my thanks.

Chuck Chapman

Re: ADMIN: Milette's "borrowing"  photos

Posted by: "Margie Valenzuela"


Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:40 pm (PST)

John, allow me to address 2 issues here:

1.) I met Mr. Millette on tour at the 2006 AIS Convention in Oregon. He
was very friendly and very polite. He told me he was writing a book,
and that he may later ask to use some of my photos in his book. He told
me (and in the presence of my husband too) that he would give me credit
for my photos used in that book, and also in return, he would send me a
copy of that book once it was completed.

Later he did indeed ask for high resolution (TIFF) photos of six to
seven (maybe eight) arilbreds. I gave him my permission to use those
arilbred pics and sent him the high resolution photos. Those arilbred
photos were used in his book, and he did indeed send me his book
thanking me for my support. I was pleased and honored he kept his word
by sending me the iris book. However, I was NOT given credit anywhere
that book (as he said he would) for any of my photos which were
used. That was disappointing to me.


2.) John, those 2 photos of Carl and Sissy, and Cerf-volant indeed are
mine, and I was "surprised" to see that they are being offered for
sale!! ** Mr. Millette never mentioned or asked me for my permission to
place my photos online so he could SELL them.

As I look through a couple of the iris links at his "photos for sale"
website - - I find even more of my photos there. On the first IRIS page
of this website I see my photos of Alpine View, and April of Paris. On
the B's page I now see my photo of Brazen Beauty. I can only speculate
that there are more of my photos on that website that I did not give my
permission to sell.

About a week or 10 days ago he asked me for a couple of my Louisiana
Iris photos in High Resolution (and so I sent them). I (mistakenly)
assumed he was going to write another Iris book and needed Louisiana
photos for it. (I say this because he had mentioned to me back in 2006
that he may write a second Iris Book, and if so, that he may contact me
again). Now, I am uncertain what he plans to use those 2 photos for.

~ Margie Valenzuela

(margiempv, Margie Piorkowski Valenzuela)

Oro Valley, AZ.

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