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Fw: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+

  • Subject: [PHOTO] [iris-photos] Fw: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+
  • From: "jgcrump" jgcrump@erols.com
  • Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:10:05 -0500

Sorry  --  This should have been sent to Iris-photos.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jgcrump" <jgcrump@erols.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+

> Whenever I'm contemplating first-generation results, I'm reminded of the
> story about George Bernard Shaw, who, it is said, was approached by a 
> woman
> who suggested that they should have a child together.  "With your brains 
> and
> my beauty," she said, "think what we could produce!"  "Yes," replied Shaw,
> "but, on the other hand, what if it should turn out to have my beauty and
> your brains?"  I try to keep this in mind when looking at the pack of dogs
> resulting from a cross of what I considered two thoroughbreds.   It's 
> worth
> considering what happy combinations may be latent in some of those
> disappointing first-generation products if later sibling or cousin crosses
> are tried  --  or backcrosses.  Attached is a pair of puppies from the 
> same
> litter that I'm looking forward to working with.  There were 28 of them, 
> and
> not a single one that is worthy even of registering.  But with a 
> background
> of BLACK FALLS, MOMAUGUIN, MARGARITA and BEST BET, I'm convinced that,
> somewhere down the line, a real beauty will eventually emerge.  --  Griff
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Autmirislvr@aol.com>
> To: <iris@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB:germination rates+
>> In a message dated 1/19/2006 7:49:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> lmann@volfirst.net writes:
>> <<What part of the 'broader view' am I  missing?>>
>> Linda, I don't know that you're missing anything.  Perhaps I was  missing
>> something earlier.  Or maybe our goals are so different that it  doesn't
>> really
>> matter.
>> Maybe I can explain it best by showing this picture (attachment)
>> Little back ground.  Doubt seriously this will ever be  introduced.  See
>> no
>> call for another white iris that blooms late and  doesn't rebloom.  This
>> seedling is 1/4 Edith Wolford, 1/4 Immortality with  Silverado, Latin
>> Lady, Pledge
>> Allegiance & Beau Zam making up the  rest.  The pod parent was a pretty
>> white
>> seedling from Edith X  (Silverado x Latin Lady.)  The pollen parent a
>> white
>> reblooming  seedling with no distinction.
>> Frankly, I didn't expect much from this cross and didn't plant it.   The
>> seedlings remained in a mum pot for 3 years.  They all died  except the
>> strongest
>> 3.  Late this past spring this seedling bloomed in  that mum pot with 
>> only
>> about 2 inches of soil left in the bottom!  (also  had red seedlings and
>> then
>> purple plicata seedling do the same)  Other  iris bloom was gone so I
>> spent more
>> time than normal looking at the blooms  on this one stalk.  I think it 
>> had
>> 4
>> blooms.
>> Why didn't I plant it when I moved out here, or even last year?  Low
>> expectations.  I breed to produce new and exciting rebloomers.  I  didn't
>> expect to
>> see anything either new or exciting from this cross! Even  now, much as I
>> like
>> this seedling, it's got nothing to excite anyone but  me.
>> Why do I find it exciting?  Well, it's mine!  <vbg>  But, I see 
>> I
>> look at this and see that I could be just a heart  beat away from
>> something
>> really great!  One parent was a pretty little  thing that carries 
>> rebloom,
>> while the other is an average (but not ugly)  seedling that has rebloomed
>> quite
>> well.
>> The pod parent is already gone, and I was on the verge of trashing the
>> pollen parent.  I've gone from looking at the pollen parent (1004-5Re) of
>> this
>> seedling as a failure, an also ran if you will, and now I see it as being
>> worthy
>> of a another chance as a parent.  I've LOTS of this seedling so  pollen
>> won't
>> be a problem!
>> With the 1812 I've learned many things from the first round (80+) of
>> seedlings.  You don't always get what you expect.  Lemon Reflection
>> really does NOT
>> carry the plicata gene!  Here's a list of what I got  from the cross. 
>> Most
>> were tall.
>> 1)  1 pure med yellow.
>> 2)  3 or 4 pale yellow with veining.
>> 3)  1 white with a pale lav sheen on opening (similar to the  coloring on
>> Immorality) But tall with perfect branches.
>> 4)  3 pale lav with darker overlay on the falls.
>> 5)  3 or 4 that have a brighter poke berry stain on the falls.   Usually
>> veined.
>> 6)  1 old gold with rust overlay.  A very pretty rebloomer  but the
>> foliage
>> is of small stature and the plant is one of the weaker of  the bunch.
>> Beauty
>> is the only thing this one has going for it and I may  not even use it as
>> a
>> parent.  It will depend on how the blooms fall!
>> 7)  1 pale yellow standards with more golden falls with purple  beards
>> (looks
>> blue)
>> 9-80)  The rest are some shade of yellow to old gold with some shade  of
>> lavender overlay on the falls.
>> 8)  One more from 1812, and the last I saw bloom.  It has pale  yellow
>> standard with cream falls.  Three stalks this fall, great stalks,  etc.
>> Looks the
>> least like the rest but one of the top 5 in  potential.  (picture in
>> archives
>> 2005 fall)
>> Linda, I guess what I'm trying to say is that instead of looking  <just>
>> for
>> perfect seedlings I'm now looking more for semi-perfect  parents.  <vbg>
>> Does
>> that make sense?  The thrill of  the chase?
>> Most of my seedlings grow well for me.  The ones that  don't either die
>> (natural selection) or I dig them and pitch them (Betty  selection)!
>> Over 1/2 of my crosses contain my seedlings.  This accounts for my
>> improved
>> success in seedling (new) survival.  As I make more crosses with  my
>> seedlings
>> I have more rebloomers.  A cross like 1812 has well over 50%  rebloom.
>> Even
>> seedlings that didn't rebloom are producing reblooming  children.
>> I'm learning (still) like everyone else.
>> I guess I'm just having a lot of fun!  Even when I know what I'm going 
>> to
>> get like self x plicata (1812) it still lots of fun to actually see the
>> theories proven.  And interesting to see that LEMON REFLECTION wasn't
>> carrying
>> plicata.  Or it's recessive and didn't come out.  But we'll  see what the
>> other 56
>> look like this spring.  Guess I should DO a plicata  cross to see what
>> that 1
>> in 36 looks like in the next generation??  Even  more interesting . . .
>> cross
>> two half plicatas and see what the OTHER 35 look  like!  More overlays??
>> What
>> happens if I add a half  plicata that's red???    Exciting 
>> possibilities!!
>> Back to the tedious stuff.
>> Make more crosses!  If you don't cross them, you can't   plant them!
>> Betty W. in South-central KY Zone 6  ---
>> Bridge In Time Iris Garden@website:
>> _www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/_
>> (http://www.thegardensite.com/irises/bridgeintime/)
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