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Fwd: [iris] HYB: breeding strategy (Answer #1)
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  • Subject: Fwd: [iris] HYB: breeding strategy (Answer #1)
  • From: Betty Wilkerson <Autmirislvr@aol.com>
  • Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:13:52 -0400 (EDT)

 

Could not figure out why my picture wasn't posting! Wrong list. For
those that have both lists, this goes with the post to iris-hort.

Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Wilkerson <autmirislvr@aol.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:05 pm
Subject: [iris] HYB: breeding strategy (Answer #1)

Comments??

On bDecadenceb . . . I used it to incorporate colors and patterns in my
rebloom lines.

My first Decadence cross was 1917-01Re which is from my own bSincerely
Yoursb X bStar Gateb. It (the pod parent) is tall with decent
branching and reblooms in October. I was impressed with the first
seedling that sprouted.from this cross. It came closest to having all
of the good traits I wanted. I went purple on the cross, and most were
similar to 2128-01, but not as good. Although it sprouted early it
gives medium bloom. Itbs not perfect but I like it very much. I
didnbt expect rebloom and didnbt get it. Using it as a parent.
(picture is 2128-01)

Then I put bDecadenceb on bMountain Sunrise.b I knew this was a
problem going in because bMountain Sunriseb inherited open standards
from bSeakist.b Love the seedlings but they did inherit the open
standards. In the next generation, Ibll use them as pollen parents on
something with strong standards. Ibm sad that I canbt use them as pod
parents.

In both of these crosses, I used bDecadenceb as the pollen parent. I
have another, yet to bloom, which is bDecadenceb X bRenownb. Ibve
only
seen a frozen bloom (reddish purple) so I canbt really speak to it,
yet. It looks like it may have poor branching. There is little
similarity in the crosses as each cross produced different looking
blooms. Although bDecadenceb still grows here, I probably wonbt use it
again. Maybe I just got lucky? Or maybe Ibm getting anxious and
feeling the need to move on!

<< I would love to have been able to include DECADENCE in that
list, but so far, she's just not been a good fit. Lots of color, but
too much loss of form & way too much loss of vigor. Maybe a relative
will work.>>

<<comments?>>

Betty Wilkerson
Zone 6 KY
autmirislvr@aol.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2012 7:55 am
Subject: [iris] HYB: breeding strategy

Now that I have plenty of relatively modern formed once bloomers that
thrive here in the iris 'vale of despair' (breeding goal #1), I'm
focusing on breeding goal #2, adding to diversity of colors/patterns of
hot weather/"summer"/early fall rebloomers that will thrive here.

As most of the long term members of this group know by now, to reach
goal #1, I used the 'best' (i.e., those irises that thrive here and
might also eventually lead to rebloom) X the 'best' formed modern
irises
that would cooperate. This resulted in buying a lot of irises that
didn't work out (died, no pollen, didn't like the idea once I saw the
iris in person, etc), and something of a shotgun contribution of genes.
Modern, yes, but not necessarily award winning or really the 'best'
choices.

A lot of floundering around, trying to find modern irises that combine
well with the backbone of my healthy lines (mostly from Lloyd Zurbrigg
&
related intros - IMMORTALITY, HARVEST OF MEMORIES, VIOLET MIRACLE, some
TEA LEAVES, MATRIX, TWILIGHT FANCIES, probably some others I'm
forgetting, & the past few years, a lot of RENOWN, in spite of it's
relatively unhealthy foliage here).

After pondering what might be the best route to follow to reach goal
#2,
I've decided (more or less) to try to focus on incorporating just a few
of the shotgun crosses. Assuming they cooperate etc etc. For the next
few years, the strategy will be to work GOLDEN PANTHER, FOGBOUND (&
TREASURED), CELEBRATION SONG & SEAKIST offspring genes into rebloom.
Betty already has a bunch of rebloom descendants from SILVERADO.

I think those 5 (6) can give us some great diversity of color & pattern
with modern form, if we can just keep from losing it while getting back
to rebloom. I would love to have been able to include DECADENCE in
that
list, but so far, she's just not been a good fit. Lots of color, but
too much loss of form & way too much loss of vigor. Maybe a relative
will work.

Also will probably try to include a few others from the shotgun
seedlings if I just can't control myself (ABSOLUTE TREASURE, ROMANTIC
EVENING, ABOVE THE CLOUDS, ABOUT TOWN...)

comments?

Linda Mann east TN USA zone 7b
drought, heat :-(

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