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Re: Re: [iris] Torchlight Parade

  • Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: [iris] Torchlight Parade
  • From: "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@erols.com>
  • Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:04:24 -0400

Dave  --  Sorry for the delay in responding  --  attributable to a continuing computer problem.  KAHILI is a full-sized TB and is itself a WABASH descendant through GAYLORD.  Here is the description from the checklist: 
    (Schreiners, R. `61). N-954-1. TB, 35", M-L,, Y4R.
    "S clear gold-yellow; F deep maroon, no haft markings. Broadway Star X Gaylord. HM `62. Schreiners `61."
    As you can see from the description, it is a variegata and a bold one.  TORCHLIGHT PARADE took WABASH's size when crossed with KAHILI, but got KAHILI's looks.  TP, however, is more floriferous than either of its parents. 
    TRUDY is a tan amoena with a tremendously rich heritage behind it.  My crosses of it with WABASH didn't produce any tan amoenas, but did result in pretty blue velvet and red-violet velvet amoenas, as well as several pretty bitones.  Typically, however, seed production was very sparse and germination was poor.  Maybe you can find it through HIPS.
    985R4 is not the one I call "Red Wabash".   985R4 resulted from a bee cross on 953P12 (HOLY NIGHT x 93RR2: (MARGARITA x MOMAUGUIN)).  It sets seed readily and is also pollen potent.  Right now I have 3 pods on it from various seedlings and LADY FRIEND, and a pod on LADY FRIEND from it.  All are reds.  What I'm looking for is better stature and just a bit better flower form, while keeping that rich red velvet.  --  Griff

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: [iris] Torchlight Parade

Hi Griff,
I expect you're right about 'Torchlight Parade' busting loose soon; it has lots of increases this year.  I don't know 'Amigo's Guitar' nor 'Trudy', but I'll look them up.  My Grandmother's name was Gertrude, and she went by Trudy.  I have the Iris named 'Gertrude', but I think 'Trudy' would be a nice addition too.  I'm ordering 'Kahili', because I'm curious about the other parent of 'Torchlight Parade', is it a smallish one too? Or, is it a larger more "typical" tetraploid?
Is 985R4 the same as your 'Red Wabash'; I don't remember the number for that one.  The 'Red Wabash' didn't flower this year, but is doing well.  Also, 93RR6 is doing well, but also no bloom.  These with 'Torchlight Parade' are planted next one another right now, and you can see a strong resemblance in the plants.  There is a 'Wabash' plant nearby, and it is very similar looking too.  In between are some 'One Desire' and another unidentified pink (came as 'One Desire'), and they really look totally different, even when they aren't blooming.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:25 PM
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: [iris] Torchlight Parade

Dave -- Thanks for the bloom report.  If planted in full sun, TORCHLIGHT PARADE should eventually "bust loose", give you 8 or more buds and multiply strongly.  It was a slow starter here, too, as I have probably mentioned.
I like your garden arrangement idea and only wish I had the space to do likewise.  I have AMIGO and AMIGO'S GUITAR, but have never tried to use them in hybridizing.  WABASH is fertile both ways, although its seed production is sparse, in my experience.  TORCHLIGHT PARADE is pollen potent, as you can see from the list of sprouts I posted earlier today.  I'm not sure if I've ever tried to set seed on it.
I'm attaching a photo of 985R4, from which I have 6 just-sprouted seedlings with TORCHLIGHT PARADE as the pollen parent.  I'm hoping for something wild as a result.
Since you like the old velvets and seem to be willing to work with them, I'd encourage you to get hold of some pieces of TRUDY, which is another recessive amoena, and cross it with WABASH.  You'll get jewel colors.  I dropped that line because of space problems and have always regretted it.  --  Griff
zone 7 in Virginia

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