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Re: TB 'Horned Amethyst' ?
  • Subject: Re: TB 'Horned Amethyst' ?
  • From: Chuck Chapman <irischapman@aim.com>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:49:13 -0400 (EDT)


The meaning of "self" does vary somewhat. But doesn't necessarily
include beard (or hafts, unless they are glaring). Old colour
classification didn't include beard in colour classification.

"Self" usually means falls and standards same colour, fairly even
colour. I have seen a description say something like "White self with
yellow beard". Also seen ones such as "Blue self including beard".

So don't assume same colour of beard unless stated.

I just checked the pictures. the first one has best possibility of
being correct. Definitely not the plicata.

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Cordesview <cordesview@speednetllc.com>
To: iris-photos <iris-photos@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 10:31 am
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] TB 'Horned Amethyst' ?

Hey, that helps me! ÂI did not know about the color & pattern
classification. Â(shows my youth! haha!) Â

A "self" must have a self-colored beard, then. ÂOne photo in the wiki
has a plicata patterning. ÂThe other photo has a BRIGHT yellow beard
and haft with greyed standards.

Then would both photos of it in the Wiki be mis-identified?! Â(Please,
no offense intended to anyone.... I certainly know how hard it is to
keep track of historic iris, especially when the hybridizer isn't
around to refer to!)

Thanks, Chuck.

By the way, your method for seed germination has scored again. ÂLast
year I had to have had more than 75%. ÂI just started my second year
using it. ÂIt has become my first choice for starting my seedlings.


On Mar 16, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Chuck Chapman wrote:
It would be an amethyst self. that is all amethyst, solid colour .

A classification of colour and pattern was used up to 1969 checklist
compilation. not used after that.

The colour classification is V1, a self. Plicatas are colour class 2.
So V2 would be a plicata with amethyst/violet patterning.

Bitones are 3, bicolours 4 and blends 5. The V stands for Violet and
shades of it such as amethyst.

Chuck Chapman

-----Original Message-----
From: Cordesview &lt;cordesview@speednetllc.com&gt;
To: iris-photos &lt;iris-photos@yahoogroups.com&gt;
Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 9:59 am
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] TB 'Horned Amethyst' ?

Wow, that's tricky.

The description (following) doesn't say if it's in the plicata pattern
or not. ÂAll it says is "Amethyst self". ÂThere isn't even a color of
the beard or appendage.Â

I'd put a request out to the HIPS group, to see if they have a
definitive answer. Â(Sorry, but I really can't say which one is


'Horned Amethyst' (Lloyd Austin, R. 1959). Sdlg. J-La-40. TB, 36" (91
cm), M. Color Class-V1, Amethyst self, horned beard. Sdlg. X 'Pink
Tower'. Rainbow 1960.Â

On Mar 16, 2012, at 2:47 AM, Paul wrote:
I googled some pictures for 'Horned Amethyst'. Only one, from Bluebird
Haven, resembles the decription, a self. The others (4) are all

So which is correct?

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