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Re: to be or not to be

Thanks for the great message Griff.  You are right on.  Besides when has bud count *really* made a difference to judges?  :-)  VANITY is a prime example, great flower, 5 buds, Dykes Medal.?  Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder.  It seems a lot of HMs and a few AMs are getting awards lately that are very short to short in the bud count and branching category?  Not just deficient in harsh climates, but everywhere they are grown.  I can't figure it out, I would hate to see iris awards become a popularity contest. (Another can of worms better saved for a future date.)  Anyway.......thanks for the affirmation.  I appreciate your comments and insight.
Mike Sutton 
----- Original Message -----
From: jgcrump
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] to be or not to be

Mike -- That's a very, very pretty flower, WET SILK, and the name helps to appraise the flower's texture through a photo.  I'm one who thinks that haft marks and veining can be either attractive -- sometimes stunningly so -- or not.  There certainly are some varieties which are best without them.  There are few absolutes when one is speaking of beauty.  I think that also applies to bud count.  Certainly, high bud count is desirable, since it usually lengthens the bloom span.  Some folks, however, say an iris shouldn't be introduced if it has a low bud count.  Somehow, it is implied that the customer isn't getting his or her money's worth unless there are seven or more buds.  While the development of standards for judging plays an important role in the progress of hybridizing, I think we sometimes let the DESIRABLE become the RULE.  I say, if the flower is beautiful and would merit introduction "except for the bud count", introduce it and let prospective buyers know that the bud count is low.  If the number of buds is more important to them than the beauty, they won't buy it.  So be it.
jgcrump@erols.com in Virginia 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sutton <suttons@lightspeed.net>
To: iris-photos@egroups.com <iris-photos@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 05, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] to be or not to be

Hi Patrick,
Great comparison!  Never even thought of doing something like that.  I agree with you on the hafts.  Sometimes they can be great, one of the most popular flowers in our garden is Notorious, almost all haft markings.  I am just waiting for you to post your first intro pic Patrick!  (B,EG) :-) The reason I post possible intros is to hear feedback, positive or negative.  If I didn't want to hear it I wouldn't ask for opinions, so your input is welcome.  Sometimes a pretty flower can get in the way of good judgment, sometimes not.  We have two types of people to consider when intro'ing a flower, AIS members and the general public.  I personally think that a flower can and should be appealing to both sets of folks.  However once in a while we have a flower that has massive garden appeal yet would not meet with approval of most AIS members.  Then it becomes tough.  Since I am rambling I will go ahead and give you an example.  How many of you have WET SILK?  We sold out in it's maiden year, mainly from garden visitors.  Very, very pretty and catching flower in the garden, don't think too many AIS folks have even heard of it.  (for those of you who haven't, picture attached)  It can be short a branch and only carry 6 buds, sometimes it has 11 buds.  Should we have not introduced it?  We had over 250 in stock when it was introduced, you do the math at $35.  Not that I am greedy, most of you know that from our prices and bonuses, but we need to have income to stay in business.  Back to the original subject, the flower I posted earlier has huge garden appeal for it's color and command, but it does not have "perfect" qualities.  Does that mean we don't introduce it?  What do you all think given a slightly different perspective? 
Porterville, CA USA, USDA zone 8.  TB bloom season is winding down.
I think that is the longest post (ramble) I have ever done.

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