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Re: HYB: SA from non horned seedlings

  • Subject: Re: [iris-photos] HYB: SA from non horned seedlings
  • From: "Patrick Orr" <irisdude@msn.com>
  • Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 18:30:55 -0700
  • Seal-send-time: Sat, 1 May 2004 18:30:55 -0700

As we have found out, horns and flounces show up or can show up better here in the SW better than up north by you.  I bet a number of those seedling would have horns if planted down here.  Mike Sutton lives in zone 8, and I live in zone 9.  Both of these zones are excellent for SA _expression_.
I am unsure about the SDB range of SA _expression_, but I'm not sure it would make much difference.
Also, sometimes a cv has to be totally mature before expressing some of its traits, and I am inclined to think the bloom next year on those seedlings might express some appendages that they did not this year. 
Patrick Orr
Phoenix, AZ  Zone 9
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: [iris-photos] HYB: SA from non horned seedlings

Hi everyone,

I raised this question a couple of years ago. The
question was if I crossed the resulting non-horned
seedling from a SA cross to a non SA iris, would I get
seedlings with horns. Someone (I believe it was Milk
Sutton) said I would get horned seedlings even if the
seedling being used didn't show any horns. So I made
some crosses and planted the seeds and got them all to
bloom. None of the seedlings were horned, not even
small horns. These were seedlings in the SDB range. So
now I am wondering if the results that Mike (or
whomever it was) talked about was TB results. Maybe TB
with the higher chromosome count will pass SA traits
more readily to seedlings when the parent is not
horned. Any ideas why I got no horns in the second


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