Talking of (tetra x diplo) crosses, there is a MTB that comes from such a
(C. Boswell, R. 1980) Sdlg. 112-70. MTB, 22" (56 cm),
MWhite with violet and maroon dotting and light line on edges; white beard.
Little Blackfoot* X
Whispering Sprite*. Boswell
Is Concord sprite a diploide, a
triploide or a tetraploide?
i got a pod with 3 seeds from (Concord Sprite
X Whispering Spirit), from which i got one seedling that finally
i also got one seedling that died too from (
Honorabile XConcord Sprite) no record of the seed count...
...but I got 6 seeds with (Concord Sprite X
Persona), from which i got 2 seedlings.
The first one bloomed last spring ? It is
MM06-02a. It had 5buds and the photo is attached.
It has the great colour of Persona, on the lousy
shape of Concord sprite!
Can't wait to see the second, maybe it will be the
There is nothing registered from Concord Sprite,
has anyone played with it too and can show us some results?
*LITTLE BLACKFOOT (M.
Reinhardt, R. 1966) Sdlg. D62-l0. SDB, 12" (30 cm), E-MS very dark red-black; F
velvety red-black; red-black beard.
Inky. Reinhardt 1967, NTG Award
1968, HM 1968, JC 1969.
*WHISPERING SPRITE (D.
Guild, R. 1966) Sdlg. 63N1. MTB, 26" (66 cm), E-M Greenish white self with blue
veined hafts; bluish color running onto base of F. Nambe X
bee. Guild 1968, HM 1969, JC
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Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:34
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: HYB MTB
I'll be anxious to see more of your mixed ploidy seedlings.
I also think that there is a great potential for good in these crosses. Neil
Mogensen had expressed similar thoughts: having studied iris history and
pedigrees extensively, he had concluded that the genetic base of modern Tall
Beardeds remains relatively narrow. Because the few breakthrough seedlings
from tetraploid/diploid crossings were such an improvement over the previously
known diploids, they were used very heavily to form the foundation of our
modern Tall Beardeds. Much of the variability that existed in the old diploids
was overlooked in the process. There have obviously been instances where other
germplasm has been introduced into the TB genepool (like fairly well
documented infusions of Iris aphylla). But Neil thought [and I strongly agree]
that great things would come from the addition of variability via more new
breeding material of tetraploid/diploid mixed parentage.
I can hardly wait
to see how your lines develop!
Oh and about (ab)using Clown Pants --
you'll see, it won't mind a bit.
I still haven't gotten tired of using
it. See the attached picture of 2008 pod harvest from 'Bach Fugue' X 'Clown
Pants' as an example.
...i think it's difficult to draw definitive conclusions, because
for me, (diplo X tetra) crosses or (tetra X diplo ) ones seem to work the same
: very disapointing, but also terribly exciting at the same time, so much
seems to be held in these so rare and precious odd surviving
Next year, Clown Pants will be (ab)used to the limits on both
sides of the ocean !