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Re: REB: Frequent Flyer seedlings

  • Subject: Re: REB: Frequent Flyer seedlings
  • From: "donald" <donald@eastland.net>
  • Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:52:52 -0000

Yes. Generation skipping. A process where genes are passed along
but turned off in the initial cross, then reactivate in the following
generation. Unfortunately that would probably work two ways and
easily could cause the results I've experienced. Simply put, it is
true that a stronger growing plant is more likely to be able to
produce seeds. It's certainly true that plant strength has shown
back up in a subsequent generation but, statistically, I think the
numbers of plants involved too few to draw any good conclusions.


--- In iris-photos@yahoogroups.com, "J. Griffin Crump" <jgcrump@...>
> Remember the reputed G. B. Shaw put-down, "But what if it had my
beauty and your brains . . ."? Sometimes we may have to wait until
the next generation. -- Griff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: donald
> To: iris-photos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:22 AM
> Subject: [iris-photos] Re: REB: Frequent Flyer seedlings
> Not here. I haven't been able to make any correlation at all
> the apparent vigor of one or both of the parents in what turns up
> the seedlings. Pods between two strong growers have produced only
> one or two or none strong growers and pods between two poor
> have produced a uniform bunch of strong growers. It's all over
> board as far as I can tell. I'm thinking TB seedlings here, but
> applies to the AB crosses as well.
> I do see the ability to rapidly form a strong root system makes
for a
> strong growing plant here. It just doesn't seem be a highly
> heritable trait.
> Donald Eaves
> donald@...
> Texas Zone 7b, USA
> --- In iris-photos@yahoogroups.com, Linda Mann <lmann@> wrote:
> >
> > Same here - Only took a few attempts before I gave up trying
> crosses the
> > other way. I really do think the health/vigor comes more from
> pod
> > parent, but haven't done any crosses to prove it.
> >
> > I've also learned that ability to put on new roots really fast
is a
> big
> > key to strength here. I give all the newly potted up cultivars
> > 'wiggle' test a week after planting. If they are solid, they
> usually do
> > well here & have potential to be really good pollen donors. If
> > whole thing is still loose, may as well forget it, regardless
> what
> > top growth is doing.
> >
> > <I almost never get vigor from a cross if the pod parent
> > isn't a bully grower. Am taking notes also of ones that
> > stay healthy and growing all summer and look like they
> > could make stalks again in fall. The challenge now will be
> > trying to get them to put on a pretty face.>
> >
> > --
> > Linda Mann east Tennessee USA zone 7/8
> > East Tennessee Iris Society <http://www.DiscoverET.org/etis>
> > Region 7, Kentucky-Tennessee <http://www.aisregion7.org>
> > American Iris Society web site <http://www.irises.org>
> > talk archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-talk/>
> > photos archives: <http://www.hort.net/lists/iris-photos/>
> > online R&I <http://www.irisregister.com>
> >

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