Just my two cents worth. I really enjoy seeing the pictures of NOIDS,
I am very interested in looking for old Iris cultivars, learning their names,
trying to identify unnamed ones that I already grow, and even if the name never
gets discovered, I enjoy the plants. Often they are plants that are good
growers and worth growing.
I would agree that one has to be very very careful about assuming that an
identification is correct. On the flip side, I disagree that it is "almost
impossible" to identify an Iris cultivar from photographs. I find that
positive matches can often be made from photographs, especially with a little
added information on other details of the plant. Each cultivar is very
distinctive (usually) in various details that are not duplicated in other
cultivars. Even black and white photos will often work. Many
cultivars are common, and easy to identify, once you know them. As for
color, one has to take the color of a color image with a grain of salt, that is
to say use it as an indicator, not an absolute. One has to realize that
markings will vary some from flower to flower on the same cultivar, even on the
same plant, but especially from one garden to another. Even so, it can be
done - often.
On the flip side, many wrong identifications are made if the wrong
details are paid attention too, and it is very important when making an ID to
say that you are uncertain if you are not absolutely positive. I see
misidentified photographs often, and that just adds to the problem. A few
common names that I see on the wrong plants or photos often include 'Amas'
(often confused with a true I. x germanica - and 'Amas' is NOT a germanica),
'The Red Douglas' (often on one that is too red), 'Eleanor Roosevelt' ('Susa'
seems the most common imposter), 'Gudrun' (one that is too clean and white is
often called by this name), and 'Prospero' (often confused with 'Alcazar' - both
ways - it seems), but those are just a few examples among many.
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Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:06
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: NOIDS
[was: Just in from seller]
The African violet
community faces the same conundrum. I'm a hybridizer of African violets
(as well as being an iris addict) and saw a blue ribbon awarded to one of "my"
hybrids last year.....one I'd never released or shared with anyone as it was
still being evaluated for stability. The ribbon winner had bought a
NOID violet that looked similar to mine, assumed it *was* mine and
entered it in the show, putting the name of my hybrid on it.
I think this problem of
identifying NOIDS occurs in all facets of flower gardening, as I've seen the
same problem crop up in the Hemerocallis (daylily) community as well.
Our basic need to name NOIDS can cause more problems than it solves and I
think we'd be well served to give them numbers and love them for what they are
rather than what they are called.
Janet in Denmark
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technology improves, you just cannot use any digital image to
compare colors, or identify a particular iris. The best you can do
get a list of candidates to grow right next to the NOID and see
they are the same.