(These plants should not have been sent out.
Seller should have bit the bullet and declared plants sold out, and
I'm happy to see i am not the only one to think
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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:04
Subject: [iris-photos] Re: Quality
point is very true.
Maturity and rhizome size just don't always
Maturity has to do with plant having produced it's
quota of leaves, that is needed for that cultivar (For more details on this
see my article in AIS Bulletin earlier this year)
Once plant has
reached maturity, it will start the new increases as long as
it has had "bloom triger" temperatures in garden of origin. Regardless of
So if you recieve a plant that is large, but does
not have increases starting on it, it can very well bloom out. This woulkd
depend on a couple of conditions.
If plant is able to come out
of any dormancy induced by shipping, and able to start growing, and you
have temeratures to initiate bloom set, you will have new
increases to carry over for next year. If it is too late for this
then you are at risk for bloom out.
A smaller rhizome, that has reached
maturity,and undergone bloom set, will arrive, as you noted with new
increases. Count your blessings.
Last year I received some
very small SDB rhizomes (from a very cold prairie garden), but all had
inmcreases and gew and performed like gang busters.
This year I had a
number of Oregon rhizomes arrive. Much smaller then what I was sending
out. But not only smaller, but without the increases on them that I
normally get. Even after growing for over a month in my own garden, only
some of these have good increase on them.
But even after all that, what
Loic got was both small, and immature rhizomes. So a double
whammy. If they mature enough before winter sets in, they
will bloom in spring, but many will suffer bloom out. If too small to
bloom in spring, and they survive winter, by this time next year , they will
be mature and have increases, and be what they should have been the previous
These plants should not have been sent out. Seller
should have bit the bullet and declared plants sold out, and refunded
From: Colleen and Les Modra
Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 4:14
Subject: Re: [iris-photos] Re: Quality Standards
Often one grower that I buy from sends me big beautiful looking rhizomes
that are that seasons new growth, with no increase yet showing. These I can
have trouble with, in that some bloom out. My other major supplier has had
drought problems. I get smaller rhizomes, with multiple shoots. These
establish better and don't bloom out.
Colleen Modra Mt Pleasant South Australia
9/25/2010 6:51 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org
As a grower I would want to know when a customer is unhappy! I
had one lady in Tennessee express her disappointment with a few of
the Iris I had sent believing they were on the smallish size. I
refunded the money for those varieties she felt were inferior. When
possible I will send double fans of those varieties which are smaller than I
feel are up to proper size. This year when haven't had any rain to
speak of and the rhizomes didn't put on much growth at all. No matter
how much we watered it wasn't enough to compensate for the natural rainfall
we so dearly missed. Now I do treat my Introductions a little
differently since I feel they should be expected to larger and be able to
produce a flower the first year for the price which is being paid.
What is the proper size? Eggs are graded by size and priced
accordingly. The NW usually will produce a beautiful plant larger than
that which is produced in the Mid West or East Coast. This year for
the first time the product coming from the NW was smaller due to the
tremendous amount of rain they received during the Irises growing
stage. Should their product have been priced less because of
size? It still was in the ground just as long, just as much
maintenance went into the care (maybe more because of the additional
rain). The loss of rhizomes was greater due to the rain maybe next
year they will have to charge more because of the rain this year and the
loss of revenue. Should an Mid-West Iris be priced less because it
doesn't reach the same size as a typical NW Iris? If a grower carries
an Iris you want and no want else has it shouldn't that grower be able to
price the Iris, no matter what size they are producing at any price they
feel is necessary to cover the cost of their operation? If the grower
has exceptional customer service should they be able to charge the price
they feel is necessary to cover the cost of their operation and as long as
someone is willing to purchase the product. Supply, Demand and
Customer Service in the Market Place isn't that what makes the economy
Oh, since this is Iris Photos I'd better post a photo to make this
legal. Photos from 2009 when we had great moisture and produced a very nice
plant. This year the product was smaller due to the great bloom season
where the main fan plus increases were producing flowers then no rain so the
increases remaining didn't put on as much growth.
Iris4u Iris Garden
I'm just curious as to why no one wants to mention where these inferior
iris are coming from. I would like to know so I don't order from them.
I know of several places I will never order from. We should be helping
others from making the same mistakes.
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Friday, September 24, 2010 9:27 PM
Re: [iris-photos] Re: Quality Standards
I agree with you, I recieved the same
kind of rhizomes this summer - paid a quite significant price for new
introductions that arrived the size of my small finger and thumb. I
was very disappointed to recieve such small, fragile starts for the amount
of money invested. To date 2 of them have fully dried up without any
attempt to set root or foliage.
They were planted with care and given extra
attention but failed to even attempt to grow. I was/am greatly
disappointed that a professional grower would send out such stock-I would
have preferred to be told they were not available. I should have
sent them back, but felt that would surely be the death of them. My
order was for about 15 different varieties and I suppose I should be
pleased that only 2 of the small things have died.
It does make one wonder about how the quality
vs quantity standards of some growers are determined. And, my
rhizomes did not have to travel more than 4 days-they were small, dry,
with browning foliage when they arrived-leaving me to believe they were in
this condition when they were dug for shipping, or were dug way to long
before shipping time. 2010 introductions costing more than $40 each
should not look like that in my opinion.
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Friday, September 24, 2010 10:34 AM
Re: [iris-photos] Re: Quality Standards
Linda, i totally agree with you, rhizomes
that weight 250 grams are bound to be full of water, and have very high
chances to rot here too.
The decent size of 100 grams is what i am
after, with A very dense structure, hard to cut with the
But the pictures i have put on iris-photo
show irises between 5g and 30g;
They can't go in the garden yet or they
would be lost, they have to be potted and spend a year in
the place in the garden i call the kindergarten, and
sometimes the hospital.... where 'potatoes' (used up rhizomes) are
kept for extra shoots, and fragile irises that start to rot are kept
under scrutiny after cutting and bleaching.
It is not the place i want to see the newly
arrived irises ordered from professionals.
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Friday, September 24, 2010 3:53 PM
[iris-photos] Re: Quality Standards
Loic, I'm hesitant to say this (again) because it annoys some to
it, but I have problems with the big robust (sappy) rhizomes
others seem to like. They don't adapt to my growing
conditions well at
all. I bought a batch like that last year, and
I think all but one of
them died - more susceptible to
freeze/thaw/rot damage over the winter.
The only blooms they
produced were on small increases, most of which
did not survive
past bloom season. If I buy from that grower again (and
just as an experiment), I may store them indoors in cool place in
a paper bag until the following March after the worst of our
(usually), then pot them up outdoors.
One CA grower
who used to send sappy rhizomes has quit watering in the
(at least the ones I get) and they seem to survive here <much>
better than previously.
From the photos you posted, it does
look like the smaller rhizomes had
a bit too much moisture or too
little air circulation for the length of
time they had to be
closed up for shipping. But I wouldn't object to
the size for my
growing conditions, as long as that is blooming size.
east TN USA zone 7
wondering if it's
suddenly going to go from months of 95oF to 20oF any
rebloom other than IMM & Belvi Q, & they are done for