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Re: AIS: New AISeRobins Mailing List

The AIS web site states:
<<<<AIS-eRobins E-MAIL LIST (new March 2005)
AIS-eRobins is an email robin discussion group, sponsored by the American Iris Society, for all iris lovers. The list is hosted by Yahoo!Groups. For quick access or information on joining this list please go to the following website: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/AISeRobins >>>>

This statement gives the impression that AIS does sponsor the forum on Yahoo, however, also on the same AIS web page is a conflicting paragraph stating:

<<<< While none of the groups are directly sponsored by AIS lots of participants are AIS members. Non-AIS members are quite welcome too. Many of the E-mail lists are on Yahoo!Groups. By following the links provided you will be outside of the AIS website. >>>>>

These statement are probably subject to different interpretations. I am assuming that AIS is encouraging participation in these groups with AIS endorsement, however, any "real" sponsorship and accountability by AIS is not associated with these "eRobins".

AIS could easily sponsor its own forum on the AIS domain by simply placing a forum on the site. Something similar to the iris forum I have at http://happymoose.com could be set up practically instantly and should not increase any of the associated fees that AIS is already paying for web hosting. I actually sponsor the Happy Moose Gardening Forum that I just mentioned which is for daylilies, irises, and hostas. I have a new daffodil forum that is also web based that I am sponsoring on my personal web site at http://happymoosegardens.com/daffodil_forum/phpbb2/index.php

AIS could also very easily establish and sponsor its own listserv forums through the AIS domain. These listserv forum are operated through email similarly as the IrisTalk. Unlike the Yahoo lists, these list can be free of all the ads from Yahoo, and will give real control to AIS. I have three listserv forums that I personally sponsor for polytepal daylilies, double daylilies, and hostas. I just assumed the sponsorship of the Phoenix Hosta Robin. AIS could set up a web page on the AIS site that would serve as the membership and forum management page for any listserv forums similarly to what I have set up at http://thegardensite.com/info-garden_forums.htm.

To answer one of your questions directly: Yahoo owns any list that is located on their servers regardless of who establishes the list. I have not checked the fine print but I also assume that Yahoo owns all the content of every message sent through their servers as well as any images. They also have the right to use subscribers email address as they see fit. They also track subscribers through the use of "cookies" that they place on your computer.

In regard to IrisTalk I have been given the impression that John Jones owns the group and may manage it as he sees fit. AIS has no authority in any aspect of IrisTalk. However, Hort.Net is the true owner of IrisTalk with John being the admistrator. I believe the terms "own" and "ownership" can be broadly defined and has different degrees based upon the individual forum and its policies.

----- Original Message ----- From: <ChatOWhitehall@aol.com>
To: <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: [iris] AIS: New AISeRobins Mailing List


In the course of a conversation initiated here by Ellen Gallagher on 4/20
about the new AISeRobins list at Yahoo, I asked several questions to which I
have not received a response. I know for a fact that I am not the only one
interested in having more information along these lines, so I shall reiterate the

Perhaps it would be helpful for those unfamiliar with the general subject it
I mention that the AIS has for years, decades even, had a Round Robin program.
In this program a group of correspondents send a conventional letter --a
"Round Robin"-- around the group in a set sequence, each member contributing
something then setting the letter in flight to the next member. Members often have
a common interest about which they want to share ideas, like historic irises,
or hybridizing or Medians or whatever, and often a group will focus on these,
but there have been general interest groups, too. A group is itself often
called a Robin.

So, to reiterate my questions about this new program:

The name of this Yahoo group is AISeRobins. This sounds plural. Will there be
more than one AIS Electronic Robin? In what areas of interest? Or are you
using the word Robin to refer to the Round Robin group members themselves?

Since the new AISeRobins group is apparently already up and running, will you
please give us a rundown on its goals and policies?

Is current AIS membership required to be a member of this group? If not,
practically speaking, what is the distinction between "AISeRobins," and, for
instance, this mailing list?

Who is the actual owner of the Yahoo AISeRobins group?

And what does AIS say to alleviate the concerns of AIS members who might wish
to participate in this new AIS program but who have reservations aboutYahoo's
policies generally?

Thank you very much.


Anner Whitehead
Richmond, VA USA

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