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Re: Digest Number 1183


Can anyone tell me whether Elk and Deer pellets can be used without aging
them first?

Patrick Orr
Phoenix, AZ
Zone 9

----- Original Message -----
From: <iris-talk@egroups.com>
To: <iris-talk@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:50 AM
Subject: [iris-talk] Digest Number 1183


> 
>
> There are 8 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. HYB:  Punnett square question
>            From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
>       2. Re: Rocky Ground
>            From: "Jimmie Clark" <clarkgar@advertisnet.com>
>       3. Re: TB: I. germanica?
>            From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
>       4. Re: HYB:  Punnett square question
>            From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
>       5. Re:CULT:potting Iris
>            From: "Carryl M. Meyer" <carrylm@bigsky.net>
>       6. Animal Droppings
>            From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
>       7. Re: Animal Droppings
>            From: "Loberg" <loberg@jps.net>
>       8. Re: HYB: Glaciata
>            From: "Jan Clark" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:58:15 -0500
>    From: "Donald Eaves" <donald@eastland.net>
> Subject: HYB:  Punnett square question
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> Hope someone can give a simple mind some direction.
>
> MARY McCLELLAN is a disenrolled arilbred, being listed as 1/8 onco.
> The aril ancestry derives from the pod parent BLUE OX which was a
> cross of ACROPOLIS (I assume a TB?) x C.G. White oncobred (I
> assume a 1/4 bred?)  In order to put this in a Punnett square to
> calculate the odds of seedling resulting from a cross of MMc x 1/4 bred,
> would the following be correct?
>
> AA AA AA Aa if 'A' is TB and 'a' arilbred?  Also, is there a standard
> method of putting the pod/pollen parents on a specific axis of the
> square?
>
> It occurs to me as I occasionally poke around the iris genetics chapter
> of WOI, muddled though that poking gets much of the time, that when
> the Smother's Brothers theory of parenting reared its head when I was
> growing up and I wondered if I was really secretly adopted, the
theoretical
> chance that I could well not be kin at all to some actual ancestors would
> have been a bit of information from which I could have spun wondrous
> theories of my own.  Not to mention a few disagreeable relatives farther
> afield.  It might be a great relief if I were into genealogy in a serious
> way.
> For iris progeny from a cross, it may prove to be frustrating and time
> consuming to prove, however.
>
> TIA
> Donald Eaves
> donald@eastland.net
> Texas Zone 7, USA
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:51:13 -0500
>    From: "Jimmie Clark" <clarkgar@advertisnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocky Ground
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> These mountains are real old. That is the reason for all the pebbles!!!!
>
> Jim in Missouri Zone 5
> -----Original Message-----
>     From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
>     To: iris-talk@egroups.com <iris-talk@egroups.com>
>     Date: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:24 PM
>     Subject: [iris-talk] Rocky Ground
>
>
>     Hey Jim Clark: I thought that by now you would have realized that
those
>     rock procreate over the wintertime. Where do you think we get
>     pebbles????
>
>     Dave silverberg
>     Molalla, Oregon USA zone 7/8ish
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:09:30 -0600
>    From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
> Subject: Re: TB: I. germanica?
>
> > From: Jan Clark <janclarx@hotmail.com>
> > Hi all,
> > The little iris in the local Bot. gardens has been flowering non stop
for
>
> > the last 3 months. It is tall growing, with a small flower about the
size
>
> > and form of my I. germanica. The flower is a rich purple with no haft
> > markings, almost as dark as SABLE NIGHT (photo on the HIPS page)
> > The beards are pure white, and faily thin, but set the flower of
> > beautifully.
>
> Jan,
>
> The deep purple form of I. germanica as it blooms here has typical
> germanica haft marks and only blooms during the main iris season in the
> spring, and certainly not for three months even then. Perhaps what you
have
> been seeing is CRIMSON KING (Barr, 1893), which reportedly blooms nearly
> year round in parts of California.
>
> Jeff Walters in northern Utah  (USDA Zone 4/5, Sunset Zone 2, AHS Zone 7)
> jcwalters@bridgernet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:27:04 -0600
>    From: "Jeff and Carolyn Walters" <jcwalters@bridgernet.com>
> Subject: Re: HYB:  Punnett square question
>
> > From: Donald Eaves <donald@eastland.net>
> > MARY McCLELLAN is a disenrolled arilbred, being listed as 1/8 onco.
> > The aril ancestry derives from the pod parent BLUE OX which was a
> > cross of ACROPOLIS (I assume a TB?) x C.G. White oncobred (I
> > assume a 1/4 bred?)  In order to put this in a Punnett square to
> > calculate the odds of seedling resulting from a cross of MMc x 1/4 bred,
> > would the following be correct?
>
> Mary McClellan is listed as a 1/8 onco. Its parent BLUE OX was therefore a
> 1/4 bred (the other parent of MMc was CHIVALRY, a straight bred TB). BLUE
> OX's parent were ACROPOLIS, a straight bred TB, and a C.G. White oncobred,
> which would have been a 1/2 bred, not a 1/4 bred.
> >
> > AA AA AA Aa if 'A' is TB and 'a' arilbred?  Also, is there a standard
> > method of putting the pod/pollen parents on a specific axis of the
> > square?
>
> I don't think you can represent MMc this way, since it is a tetraploid,
not
> an octoploid. MMc would be either AAAA or AAAa for a given tetrad of
> chromosomes. Probabilistically half the chromosome tetrads would be of one
> kind and half of the other. However, Sharon McAllister has stated that
this
> sort of quantum model does not very accurately represent the way in which
> genetic material is passed down in interspecific crosses, if I understand
> what she has tried to explain.
>
> Jeff Walters in northern Utah  (USDA Zone 4/5, Sunset Zone 2, AHS Zone 7)
> jcwalters@bridgernet.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:55:17 -0600
>    From: "Carryl M. Meyer" <carrylm@bigsky.net>
> Subject: Re:CULT:potting Iris
>
> If I cannot plant the rhizomes in the place where they should be, I plant
> them in gallon pots, and then dig a trench, about 2/3 as deep as the pot,
> and put the pots in the trench, filling the dirt around them. I have done
> this with bearded Iris, Siberians, Spurias, Specie--with no problem--some
of
> the Spurias were in their pots for almost two years, and it did not phase
> them at all--I am growing a Japanese in a 5 gallon pot--with no problems--
> I am in zone 3/4 and the ground freezes about a foot deep--usually with no
> snow cover--
> and I do not cover the pots or mulch them--
> Carryl in western Montana--where the wind came from somewhere and blew
most
> the smoke away--saw the sun today for the first time in 4 days
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:05:38 -0700
>    From: Dave Silverberg <sil1812@molalla.net>
> Subject: Animal Droppings
>
> I have been told that rabbit droppings can be used on iris straight out
> of the pens without the need for composting. Can anyone confirm or
> refute this??
>
> Dave Silverberg
> Molalla, Oregon USA zone 7/8ish
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
>    Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:51:34 -0700
>    From: "Loberg" <loberg@jps.net>
> Subject: Re: Animal Droppings
>
> >I have been told that rabbit droppings can be used on iris straight out
> >of the pens without the need for composting. Can anyone confirm or
> >refute this??
> >
> >Dave Silverberg
>
> Dear Dave,
>     This I believe is true.   I help my son raise Netherland Dwarf rabbits
> for one of his
> 4-H projects.    One of the benefits we have is that the rabbit droppings
in
> the barn are saved and routed to my iris beds... any time of the year.
> They are also good for the rose beds, and for any other garden bed.
Rabbit
> droppings do not "fall apart" as quickly as you might want in the garden
bed
> and may take longer to decompose in order to provide plant nutrients...  I
> don't use them alone, I combine with other compost.   Most rabbit growers
> feed their rabbits Purina or other quality rabbit food which is primarily
> made from alfalfa.   This may be similar to gardeners who like to put
> alfalfa pellets straight into their garden beds.  (p.s. if you want to use
> alfalfa pellets, get pure alfalfa pellets and do not purchase rabbit food,
> because rabbit food includes supplements that are not needed for the
garden
> and would be more expensive.)
>      I can't resist the opportunity to say how excited I am today of my
> son's other 4-H accomplishment.   This week is our local county fair, and
> Marc showed his Angus market beef... and won Grand Champion Beef over both
> FFA and 4-H classes.   Tomorrow's the auction...  I'm not sure how much
I'll
> sleep tonight!
>      I will say it's been much easier to gather the rabbit pellets for the
> iris garden than anything from the Angus.
> Kitty Loberg
> Northern Calif.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
>    Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 02:24:42 GMT
>    From: "Jan Clark" <janclarx@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HYB: Glaciata
>
> >Given that Alpine Regoin is from plicata breeding (Billows x Harmonics
> >seedlin) and is also therefore glaciata you could get almost anything.
> >Fairly certainly AR will carry anthocyanin genes (blue, rose etc) as well
> >as the gene for switching them off and Goddess may also.
>
> Barry Blyth doesn't actually call AR a glaciata, and I was wondering if it
> could just be a plicata, with the anthocyanin genes inhibited. The
glaciata
> gene is a seperate one from the plicata gene.
> ANGEL'S CALL is a sibling of Harmonics, and has very feint blue plicata
> markings. Barry calls the other sibling, SOME ARE ANGELS, a glaciata, but
he
> does not use this term for AR.
>
> AR is from Billows X a Harmonics sibling
> ONLY YOU (BILLOWS X HARMONICS) has lemon standards, and rose plicata
> markings on the falls only, (like Billows)
>
> It will be interesting to see what I get from these seedlings. I am hoping
> that one has pink standards, and cream falls. Of course chances are I will
> get one and it will have dreadful form and growth habit :-)
> Cheers, jan
>
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